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Lucy Letby’s scribbled notes

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Figmentofmyimagination · 03/09/2024 22:16

At times when I’m feeling acutely distressed, it’s not at all unusual for me to scribble all sorts of dreadful thoughts down on paper eg die die die, hate hate hate, I hate you, I hate you, what’s the point of you, my fault, stupid me, etc etc etc, usually scribbling them all out so nobody can see what I’ve written. I’m pretty sure this is quite a common response to acute mental distress. I agree with this article that it feels very surprising that Letby’s scribblings were used as evidence of a ‘confession’.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/i-am-evil-i-did-this-lucy-letbys-so-called-confessions-were-written-on-advice-of-counsellors

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Tandora · 05/09/2024 12:08

Mirabai · 05/09/2024 12:07

The 4 doctors found someone to blame for the deaths in the unit. That is scapegoating.

The management originally defended her and then ultimately accepted the course of the police investigation.

The consultants running the unit are principally responsible for the deaths in their clinical care, particularly given suboptimal care was involved. But the managers bear some responsibility for running a Level 2 unit without the resources to do so.

Agree

HazelPlayer · 05/09/2024 12:09

Why would I have to enlighten you .... You're so special and smart that you believe you have worked out there had been a likely miscarriage of justice for a woman convicted of multiple infant murders.

To have come to that conclusion, you are evidently more intelligent and incisive than the judges who presided over the case and denied the appeals.

So why would anyone have to explain anything about this case to you?????

Tandora · 05/09/2024 12:11

HazelPlayer · 05/09/2024 12:09

Why would I have to enlighten you .... You're so special and smart that you believe you have worked out there had been a likely miscarriage of justice for a woman convicted of multiple infant murders.

To have come to that conclusion, you are evidently more intelligent and incisive than the judges who presided over the case and denied the appeals.

So why would anyone have to explain anything about this case to you?????

Edited

Because I don’t know the answers to the questions you posed, but you declared the answers were obvious. They are not obvious to me, so I would appreciate you sharing what you believe to be obvious? Otherwise it’s very hard to have a meaningful conversation.

angeldelite · 05/09/2024 12:14

Mirabai · 05/09/2024 12:07

The 4 doctors found someone to blame for the deaths in the unit. That is scapegoating.

The management originally defended her and then ultimately accepted the course of the police investigation.

The consultants running the unit are principally responsible for the deaths in their clinical care, particularly given suboptimal care was involved. But the managers bear some responsibility for running a Level 2 unit without the resources to do so.

The 4 doctors found someone to blame for the deaths in the unit. That is scapegoating.

No, that’s your opinion, not fact. From their perspective, it was whistleblowing.

This is so basic, how can you not get it?

angeldelite · 05/09/2024 12:15

Tandora · 05/09/2024 12:06

There are a lot of people thinking and saying these things, so if you’re on a campaign to suppress such opinions through shame tactics, I think you have your work cut out for you @angeldelite

Edited

Ah the old ‘we vs you’ game.

If anyone is on a campaign using shame tactics, it’s you and Mirabai, ganging up on anyone who disagrees with you.

Mirabai · 05/09/2024 12:19

angeldelite · 05/09/2024 12:14

The 4 doctors found someone to blame for the deaths in the unit. That is scapegoating.

No, that’s your opinion, not fact. From their perspective, it was whistleblowing.

This is so basic, how can you not get it?

I’m referring to the event in June 2015 when, after the first 3 deaths, instead of addressing the issues in the unit, the consultants say they went through the rota looking which nurses were on shift for the deaths. That is by their own account.

HazelPlayer · 05/09/2024 12:38

Tandora · 05/09/2024 11:51

😂😂😂

Takes an "interesting" type of person to laugh at the fact that publicly accusing several medical consultants (who are still working) of;

Causing a large number of infant deaths through incompetence & negligence,
Scape goating another colleague for them,
Perjuring themselves in court when she's accused of multiple murders, and
Sitting back silent while she serves multiple whole life sentences for the deaths ......

Could be considered libel, and be prosecutef.

Do you think the consultants and their families would not consider it libel? Do you think of Mirabai were a journalist and wrote that publicly ..... She wouldn't be a target for libel?

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at your understanding of that, given your opinions on this thread in general.

Tandora · 05/09/2024 12:40

HazelPlayer · 05/09/2024 12:38

Takes an "interesting" type of person to laugh at the fact that publicly accusing several medical consultants (who are still working) of;

Causing a large number of infant deaths through incompetence & negligence,
Scape goating another colleague for them,
Perjuring themselves in court when she's accused of multiple murders, and
Sitting back silent while she serves multiple whole life sentences for the deaths ......

Could be considered libel, and be prosecutef.

Do you think the consultants and their families would not consider it libel? Do you think of Mirabai were a journalist and wrote that publicly ..... She wouldn't be a target for libel?

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at your understanding of that, given your opinions on this thread in general.

Edited

To be clear I’m laughing at you and your ridiculous accusations and assertions that I should “rightly be prosecuted” for what (you’ve claimed) I have said on this thread. 🤣🤣🤣

hermumsty · 05/09/2024 12:42

You have very senior very experienced paediatric intensivists very strongly suspecting foul play. That is very likely on the balance of probabilities to be true. These are consumate professionals and experts.

HazelPlayer · 05/09/2024 12:44

Tandora.

That wasn't referring to you.

Talk about self obsession.

And you.clearly can't read or comprehend English - because I said that if Mirabai wasn't accusing the consultants of scape goating, perjury etc. on an anonymous forum, but instead she did it as eg a journalist publicly, she could be prosecuted.

The "you" was clearly "any person" in that context of what I said

Not you personally.

GoodieMcTwoshoes · 05/09/2024 12:46

hermumsty · 05/09/2024 12:42

You have very senior very experienced paediatric intensivists very strongly suspecting foul play. That is very likely on the balance of probabilities to be true. These are consumate professionals and experts.

There were and are experts saying she's guilty.

Tandora · 05/09/2024 12:46

HazelPlayer · 05/09/2024 12:44

Tandora.

That wasn't referring to you.

Talk about self obsession.

And you.clearly can't read or comprehend English - because I said that if Mirabai wasn't accusing the consultants of scape goating, perjury etc. on an anonymous forum, but instead she did it as eg a journalist publicly, she could be prosecuted.

The "you" was clearly "any person" in that context of what I said

Not you personally.

Edited

You said I said “x, y, z” and if I did it with my name behind it I could “rightly be prosecuted” 🤣🤣🤣. Anyhoo.

Mirabai · 05/09/2024 12:46

HazelPlayer · 05/09/2024 12:44

Tandora.

That wasn't referring to you.

Talk about self obsession.

And you.clearly can't read or comprehend English - because I said that if Mirabai wasn't accusing the consultants of scape goating, perjury etc. on an anonymous forum, but instead she did it as eg a journalist publicly, she could be prosecuted.

The "you" was clearly "any person" in that context of what I said

Not you personally.

Edited

I mean you quoted her post it’s a fair inference.

HazelPlayer · 05/09/2024 12:54

Mirabai · 05/09/2024 12:46

I mean you quoted her post it’s a fair inference.

No, it's only inference for someone who is so busy dashing off conspiracy theories and ridiculing anyone who makes the mistake of interacting with them; that they don't read and comprehend things properly in their context.

It referred to you.

You could be prosecuted for libel against the consultants if you were not conveniently anonymous and anyone of significance.

Tandora · 05/09/2024 12:55

HazelPlayer · 05/09/2024 12:54

No, it's only inference for someone who is so busy dashing off conspiracy theories and ridiculing anyone who makes the mistake of interacting with them; that they don't read and comprehend things properly in their context.

It referred to you.

You could be prosecuted for libel against the consultants if you were not conveniently anonymous and anyone of significance.

Edited

🙄 when you are done throwing personal insults and threatening prosecution , could we go back to the topic at hand ?

HazelPlayer · 05/09/2024 12:57

Tandora · 05/09/2024 12:55

🙄 when you are done throwing personal insults and threatening prosecution , could we go back to the topic at hand ?

Threatening prosecution??

Where?

NoButBut · 05/09/2024 12:58

There were no personal insults and she hasn't "threatened" prosecution. The twisting of words and hyperbole are getting offhand...geez.

BeyondSmoake · 05/09/2024 12:59

Derail is starting to look a smidge intentional...

NoButBut · 05/09/2024 12:59

This whole game of speculation posted as facts have gone on for too long. I still can only think of the victims' families and what they must be going through reading some of the rubbish posted by all the members of LL's Mumsnet Fan Club and Personal Defence Team. Shame.

We'd wait and see how it all turns out from actual professionals on this case, if things change.

Tandora · 05/09/2024 13:00

but to be clear, you quoted my post and wrote:

You have stated categorically those hospital consultants scapegoated LL for deaths they were responsible for. You didn't mention the hospital management (conveniently) but they must have presumably scape goated her too (in a huge U turn) to allow the referral to the police and then not protest when the police said they were passing it to the CPS to prosecute her. You feel free to write that on an anonymous forum, but state it publicly and it would be libel. You could be prosecuted. And rightly so.

BeyondSmoake · 05/09/2024 13:01

This whole game of speculation posted as facts have gone on for too long.

Agree with you there!

Mirabai · 05/09/2024 13:02

HazelPlayer · 05/09/2024 12:54

No, it's only inference for someone who is so busy dashing off conspiracy theories and ridiculing anyone who makes the mistake of interacting with them; that they don't read and comprehend things properly in their context.

It referred to you.

You could be prosecuted for libel against the consultants if you were not conveniently anonymous and anyone of significance.

Edited

General tip - if you want people to know who you are responding to on a forum, then quote the correct poster.

Do you actually read newspapers?The repeated use of “conspiracy theory” given the breadth and depth of concern - is this ignorance on your part or desperation?

HazelPlayer · 05/09/2024 13:04

go back to the topic at hand

The topic at hand is that Mirabai is claiming that LL has not received fair trials for multiple infant murders

....while simultaneously claiming that the unit consultants were responsible for the infant deaths, set her up, scape goated her, perjured themselves in court, and continue to allow an innocent person to serve multiple whole life terms .....

and shevsays she is certain this is what has happening, without any trial (of the consultants).

That is topic at hand, get it.

HazelPlayer · 05/09/2024 13:05

General tip - if you want people to know who you are responding to on a forum, then quote the correct poster.

I can refer to another poster while quoting a poster who is supporting their views.

Thanks for the tip though.

I always find lunatics give the best tips.

Tandora · 05/09/2024 13:05

HazelPlayer · 05/09/2024 13:04

go back to the topic at hand

The topic at hand is that Mirabai is claiming that LL has not received fair trials for multiple infant murders

....while simultaneously claiming that the unit consultants were responsible for the infant deaths, set her up, scape goated her, perjured themselves in court, and continue to allow an innocent person to serve multiple whole life terms .....

and shevsays she is certain this is what has happening, without any trial (of the consultants).

That is topic at hand, get it.

The topic at hand is that Mirabai is claiming that whether LL has not received fair trials for multiple infant murders

There. I fixed it for you 👍🏻

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