Lucy Letby’s scribbled notes

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At times when I’m feeling acutely distressed, it’s not at all unusual for me to scribble all sorts of dreadful thoughts down on paper eg die die die, hate hate hate, I hate you, I hate you, what’s the point of you, my fault, stupid me, etc etc etc, usually scribbling them all out so nobody can see what I’ve written. I’m pretty sure this is quite a common response to acute mental distress. I agree with this article that it feels very surprising that Letby’s scribblings were used as evidence of a ‘confession’.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/i-am-evil-i-did-this-lucy-letbys-so-called-confessions-were-written-on-advice-of-counsellors

Have you never scribbled complete nonsense? I've wrote loads of shite that I didn't mean... "I hate X" (and worse).

She was told to write down her feelings and this while there was suspicions around her (which she knew about). With those thoughts in your head you could write anything. And she was definitely not well given what she was writing. Her mood was very low. As that fella Wilson said those scribbles were meaningless.

None of this is saying she is innocent. She could be guilty as sin. But those scribbles are not reliable in terms of telling us what's true.

The problem with this is I and a highly experienced nurse have stood at a bedside of a patient whose the ventilator randomly stopped working and therefore the patient was desaturating. We were completely still for approximatley a minimum of 8 secs of to to observe the patient, check with ourselves, check with each other, confirm that what was happening was happening then formulate a plan and take action.

This comment from the judge demonstrates to me a strong misunderstanding of the day-to-day grind of working in health care.

You’re really taking this the wrong way. That poster simply shared their own experience (I for one am finding all the responses interesting to read) but you were rude about it insinuating she thought she knew more than the jury and had gleaned this information from fag packets?

It’s her own experience and was in no way judgemental, unlike yours. Have a word with yourself.

There was a bacteria outbreak with raw sewage on the ward - this has been proven. Bacteria that is dangerous to vulnerable newborns.

‘Leaked risk report shows Pseudomonas aeruginosa colonised taps in nurseries of neonatal unit’

If you read the articles, she was acting on the advice of her doctor.

Her head of occupational health and wellbeing, Kathryn de Beger, encouraged Letby to write down her feelings as a way of coping with extreme stress. Letby’s Chester GP also advised her to write down thoughts she was struggling to process.

That’s not correct they found a bacteria outbreak which is very dangerous to newborns in the water pipes of the neonatal unit.

‘Hospital where Lucy Letby worked suffered bacteria outbreak ‘lethal’ to babies
Leaked risk report shows Pseudomonas aeruginosa colonised taps in nurseries of neonatal unit’

‘However, the jury was not told about six other deaths in the period with which Letby was not charged. They were omitted from the table.

why didn’t they tell the jury about the other six cases ? Because she wasn’t there and it makes her look innocent….she was not there for six of them.

Could you tell me why you think she's not guilty?

Or tell me the names of the documentaries you watched, please?

I didn't really follow the case when it all first came out as I was working abroad at the time.

Around the time of the trial I watched a couple of documentaries. I can remember the consensus in the media, and on MN etc, being pretty much unanimous that she was guilty.

But I do remember thinking there wasn't really much evidence.

Interesting to hear your thoughts if you have a minute to give a brief overview.

The judge determines the relevance and extent of the evidence that should be admitted. We have no idea what was excluded and why prior to the actual trial.

Why was there no evidence presented in court on this subject in support of her defence if this was a genuine factor?

If someone had murdered or attempted to murder lots of babies then I would reckon mental illness must be at play somewhere.

i don’t think they can be taken as a slam dunk confession in isolation, but they are clearly part of the whole body of evidence.

therefore YABU as this has also been done to death and she’s been through 2 trials where everything has been subject to thorough cross examination

This is a one off instance, there was a pattern with Lucy that showed her involvement in all those cases. Evidence from the parents as to her conduct, Drs, clinicians and other nurses, her stalking the parents on facebook.

Your one off instance is not comparable.

I am not a troll Report me if you think I am. She is a creep - she stalked the parents on facebook on anniversaries of their babies' deaths. She is a callous predator. The judge implied this heavily in his sentencing remarks. So calm yourself down.

Some of them were very tiny and sick but not all were. It is not at all common for so many premature babies to die with the advanced medicine we now have

OP I hope you are never in the position where a loved one is murdered and a load of cranks online are fixated on getting their murderer released.

Newsflash - white middle class blond women can also commit murder.

Still births is a different department though. I can't see that has any bearing one way or another.

Absolutely agree with this !

Unless you’ve worked in healthcare in an acute setting most people are clueless.

I fear that this clueless ness has been played upon by the prosecution.

Why do you think the trial lasted for nine months if there was not sufficient evidence?

I don't think this is fair. The poster was talking about her own personal experience in relation to one aspect of the evidence, not making a judgement on the jury's competence or the case as a whole based on reading off "the back of a fag packet." FWIW, I think the correct verdicts were reached but I have also written some bizarre things in private notes when I've been distressed!

It says in the newspaper that the unit no longer takes babies who are as sickly or as premature as when LL worked there. You’re not really making a fair comparison because if the babies are later in gestation and not as sickly then they’re less likely to die (that’s obviously assuming they died of natural causes rather than LL being involved) As she wasn’t there when the change on the unit occurred, there’s no stats to back this up.

So why did the defence not question this at the time?

wtf? What exactly is it about her mugshot which makes her look like a monster?

Still births is a different department though. I can't see that has any bearing one way or another.

That's the point - if stillbirths were also high at that time and there's no way she had anything to do with that, then how does the high rate of deaths (with no evidence of murder) prove that there is a murderer in the NICU?

But none of the babies LL killed had this virus.

If they had it, it would been found in their autopsies.