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Lucy Letby’s scribbled notes

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Figmentofmyimagination · 03/09/2024 22:16

At times when I’m feeling acutely distressed, it’s not at all unusual for me to scribble all sorts of dreadful thoughts down on paper eg die die die, hate hate hate, I hate you, I hate you, what’s the point of you, my fault, stupid me, etc etc etc, usually scribbling them all out so nobody can see what I’ve written. I’m pretty sure this is quite a common response to acute mental distress. I agree with this article that it feels very surprising that Letby’s scribblings were used as evidence of a ‘confession’.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/i-am-evil-i-did-this-lucy-letbys-so-called-confessions-were-written-on-advice-of-counsellors

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Mirabai · 04/09/2024 01:06

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 04/09/2024 00:56

How the fuck can a woman “mansplain” 😂

Lucy Letby’s scribbled notes
Marinade · 04/09/2024 01:07

Mirabai · 04/09/2024 01:02

Do you not read newspapers?

Experts like Michael Hall, neonatologist, who has seen all the evidence as he advised the defence. Like the expert neonatal pathologists who conducted the original autopsies and found natural causes. Like the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health team who went to the CoCH to write a report and found that there was no evidence to link LL to any of the deaths, indeed she was well-regarded nurse. Like Jane Hawdon expert neonatologist at Gt Ormande St who reviewed the cases and found suboptimal care in 13 cases, and stated that the babies may have survived with different medical care.

Michael Hall the expert that the defence decided not to call to give evidence you mean?

Tandora · 04/09/2024 01:10

Marinade · 04/09/2024 01:04

You are picking things out of the air and saying they need to be scrutinised without knowing what and was not scrutinised as part of the evidence admitted into the hearing. I am saying yes that we do need to place faith in the court system - and a fair system of justice is important - which is why she had a highly experienced Kings Counsel representing her.

Your assumption is that something is wrong but you really are clueless from what I can read as to what is wrong. just that something is wrong. You imply you know better than the people involved in her case. I am pretty sure they know way more than you.

And yes she had defence counsel who utilised an expert witness, and she had an appeal. Defenced counsel knows more than you as to what shold be mounted for a grounds of appeal. Apapeal failed. What more is it that you want exactly?

And there was tons and tons of evidence against her, why does this evidence not matter to you?

I am pretty sure they know way more than you.

Theres really no point in continuing this conversation 🤷🏼‍♀️

And there was tons and tons of evidence against her, why does this evidence not matter to you

because none of the “evidence” makes any sense. The air embolism theory. The insulin “poisoning”. The multiple different and obscure ways she was supposed to have murdered these babies. The witness statements. The chart. The handover notes. The diary notes. The key card evidence. The Facebook searches. None of it is even remotely persuasive.

Marinade · 04/09/2024 01:11

Tandora · 04/09/2024 01:10

I am pretty sure they know way more than you.

Theres really no point in continuing this conversation 🤷🏼‍♀️

And there was tons and tons of evidence against her, why does this evidence not matter to you

because none of the “evidence” makes any sense. The air embolism theory. The insulin “poisoning”. The multiple different and obscure ways she was supposed to have murdered these babies. The witness statements. The chart. The handover notes. The diary notes. The key card evidence. The Facebook searches. None of it is even remotely persuasive.

Feel like I am arguing with a flat earther now. Time to say good night.

Tandora · 04/09/2024 01:11

Mirabai · 04/09/2024 01:06

Exactly it’s laboriously explaining the obvious to someone as if they are stupid. Men typically do it to women, but women can obviously do this too.

Firefly1987 · 04/09/2024 01:12

Lets not forget her weird insistence she needed to look after a baby in room one if she'd lost one because at the other hospital she worked at they gave her another dying baby after she'd lost one earlier. I mean WTF is that about. She had to be in room 1 all the time, how many instances were there she was found in there when she was not supposed to be? It's not normal to have to be told to go look after the babies you're assigned to by supervisors and to stop going in room 1. Not to mention to be told to leave bereaved parents alone that another colleague is supporting and you are not needed. Bloody grief vulture! Can people honestly say all of her behaviour is totally normal?! She also told a colleague she'd seen her fair share (of deaths or collapses) at the previous hospital! I mean what are the chances these deaths just follow her wherever she goes?!

MistressoftheDarkSide · 04/09/2024 01:12

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 04/09/2024 01:05

I’m pretty sure they’re not for a knee jerk reaction for Christ sake.
Given it’s the persistent statistician leading the pack of LL innocence I’m gonna take a stab in the dark and say that 99.99999% of the LL defence club need to spend some 1 on 1 time with a mental health professional

Court is alot like theatre in high profile cases. It is adversarial and the stakes for winning and losing are high.

I'll wager you've never come up against medical experts so secure in dogma that they will argue black is white to maintain their standing and reputation. I have. Obviously I'm mad because I have relevant experience and am not in thrall to the system.

In the area of child protection, the zeal to protect and punish can have devastating consequences for the truth. See Sally Clarke, Angela Cannings and the Webster case for starters.

Tandora · 04/09/2024 01:13

Marinade · 04/09/2024 01:11

Feel like I am arguing with a flat earther now. Time to say good night.

just like all the preeminent scientists and journalists who have expressed the same in newspapers right across the political spectrum , in endless articles that have been going on for weeks now? 👍🏻

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 04/09/2024 01:14

Tandora · 04/09/2024 01:10

I am pretty sure they know way more than you.

Theres really no point in continuing this conversation 🤷🏼‍♀️

And there was tons and tons of evidence against her, why does this evidence not matter to you

because none of the “evidence” makes any sense. The air embolism theory. The insulin “poisoning”. The multiple different and obscure ways she was supposed to have murdered these babies. The witness statements. The chart. The handover notes. The diary notes. The key card evidence. The Facebook searches. None of it is even remotely persuasive.

If it’s not persuasive why did she admit herself someone had added the insulin? Just not her.

Mirabai · 04/09/2024 01:14

Marinade · 04/09/2024 01:07

Michael Hall the expert that the defence decided not to call to give evidence you mean?

Yep. The same Professor Michael Hall who just wrote a letter to the BMJ highlighting concerns about the CoA handling of medical evidence.

Marinade · 04/09/2024 01:15

Mirabai · 04/09/2024 01:14

Yep. The same Professor Michael Hall who just wrote a letter to the BMJ highlighting concerns about the CoA handling of medical evidence.

If his opinion had any merit to it whatsoever, he would have been called to testify in court. He wasn't. Think about it.

Mirabai · 04/09/2024 01:17

Tandora · 04/09/2024 01:11

Exactly it’s laboriously explaining the obvious to someone as if they are stupid. Men typically do it to women, but women can obviously do this too.

Exactly. Anyone can do it. Particularly in these gender fluid times.

Tandora · 04/09/2024 01:18

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 04/09/2024 01:14

If it’s not persuasive why did she admit herself someone had added the insulin? Just not her.

Because she’s not a doctor, expert or scientist. She was on the stand being told by “experts” that this was what happened and it was the only explanation. She wasn’t in a position to challenge that. She didn’t have another explanation. How could and why would she? The whole thing had nothing to do with her and she didn’t know anything about it.

Mirabai · 04/09/2024 01:19

Marinade · 04/09/2024 01:15

If his opinion had any merit to it whatsoever, he would have been called to testify in court. He wasn't. Think about it.

Oh dear.

Marinade · 04/09/2024 01:19

Firefly1987 · 04/09/2024 01:12

Lets not forget her weird insistence she needed to look after a baby in room one if she'd lost one because at the other hospital she worked at they gave her another dying baby after she'd lost one earlier. I mean WTF is that about. She had to be in room 1 all the time, how many instances were there she was found in there when she was not supposed to be? It's not normal to have to be told to go look after the babies you're assigned to by supervisors and to stop going in room 1. Not to mention to be told to leave bereaved parents alone that another colleague is supporting and you are not needed. Bloody grief vulture! Can people honestly say all of her behaviour is totally normal?! She also told a colleague she'd seen her fair share (of deaths or collapses) at the previous hospital! I mean what are the chances these deaths just follow her wherever she goes?!

She is a violator, a creep, a callous predator. She is just the worst. The mugshot shows who she is. These monsters drop their facade when they are caught and the mask is down. You can see who she really is in that picture.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 04/09/2024 01:19

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 04/09/2024 01:14

If it’s not persuasive why did she admit herself someone had added the insulin? Just not her.

Because it was presented to her as an irrefutable fact, and to argue against it would have damaged her credibility. She would have been instructed by her legal team to respond as she did because to do anything else would be considered arrogant or delusional.

Marinade · 04/09/2024 01:19

Mirabai · 04/09/2024 01:19

Oh dear.

You know nothing, dear.

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 04/09/2024 01:20

Oh bore off
Whenever her colleagues mentioned that something isn’t right she’d be straight in there quick as anything with “oh it happens” blah blah blah, quick to deter any conversation that may lead to the alarm being raised
Yet she accepts someone’s been poisoning insulin bags, just wasn’t her, none of it was her the fact she’s so obviously involved is just a massive coincidence. Sure Jan

Tandora · 04/09/2024 01:20

Marinade · 04/09/2024 01:19

She is a violator, a creep, a callous predator. She is just the worst. The mugshot shows who she is. These monsters drop their facade when they are caught and the mask is down. You can see who she really is in that picture.

Wow. I think this emotive language speaks for itself as to how you are reasoning about this case.

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 04/09/2024 01:23

Okay so if she’s innocent, why was she so obsessed with being around these babies in Room 1. Why was she so insistent on immediately treating another poorly child.

BobbyBiscuits · 04/09/2024 01:24

Why would someone completely innocent write things like 'i did this' and 'i killed them on purpose'? I can barely imagine why a guilty person would write that and then just leave it strewn about their home when they were under investigation for multiple murders.
It's really hard to think of a reason why that wouldn't be used in evidence. She wasn't mentally ill. There was no diagnosis of anything that would make someone write that they killed when they didn't?

Firefly1987 · 04/09/2024 01:30

RoyallyEFFEDOFF · 04/09/2024 01:23

Okay so if she’s innocent, why was she so obsessed with being around these babies in Room 1. Why was she so insistent on immediately treating another poorly child.

Exactly. This is not a good nurse by any stretch of the imagination, this is a nurse who is at best way too involved in wanting particular babies over others and getting very angry when she doesn't get what she wants. What other nurse does that? I'm sure some have favourite patients but you don't go dictating to your supervisor you only want certain ones or to be in a certain room all the time. It's so so unprofessional even if you believe she's innocent.

thebestinterest · 04/09/2024 01:36

Figmentofmyimagination · 03/09/2024 22:16

At times when I’m feeling acutely distressed, it’s not at all unusual for me to scribble all sorts of dreadful thoughts down on paper eg die die die, hate hate hate, I hate you, I hate you, what’s the point of you, my fault, stupid me, etc etc etc, usually scribbling them all out so nobody can see what I’ve written. I’m pretty sure this is quite a common response to acute mental distress. I agree with this article that it feels very surprising that Letby’s scribblings were used as evidence of a ‘confession’.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/i-am-evil-i-did-this-lucy-letbys-so-called-confessions-were-written-on-advice-of-counsellors

I mean, it IS a little batshit crazy to do that, though… I’ve had terrible days and I’ve never felt the need or desire or impulse to grab my journal and write about death and hate. Never.

Daytimedoser · 04/09/2024 01:44

HelloMiss · 03/09/2024 22:25

If she didn't kill those babies then who did??

Funny how it's all stopped..

Has it though ?

There are reports of other baby deaths and collapses around the same time, which weren’t investigated because Lucy wasn’t on shift at the time.
It seems they cherry picked the deaths which occurred when she was on shift.
And she did work overtime a lot so it figures she’d be present at a lot of the incidents.

I think the conviction was unsafe.

RisingSunn · 04/09/2024 02:47

spaceshooter · 04/09/2024 00:33

That fucking evil woman is guilty.

If she wasn't the young blonde with the innocent sounding sing-song voice not one of you would have been so obsessed with doubting the outcome of that trial.

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If she wasn't the young blonde with the innocent sounding sing-song voice not one of you would have been so obsessed with doubting the outcome of that trial.

My thoughts exactly…

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