To ask if you believe radical remission is possible?

[Edenspirits73]

I’ve just read this book https://www.amazon.co.uk/Radical-Remission-Surviving-Cancer-Against/dp/0062268740

It’s written by an American researcher, lecturer and oncologist and charts her experiences of gathering cases of radical remission from all over the world. It’s presented in quite a scientific way & she charts the 9 things that all the people who went into radical remission & had in common. It’s fascinating too.

Ironically it was recommended to me when my dad was dying of bowel cancer - end stage for him.

It’s a real book of hope (but not false hope) as it charts a largely unreported area of health - and an idea that people survive and thrive even end stage 4 cancer.

So am I being unreasonable to believe? Obviously these are real case studies too as she felt it was a totally unreported area of medicine but it feels like believing that you can heal from cancer is not a mainstream belief at all - it’s almost contraversial and held up as false hope I think.

Intererested in thoughts!

That may be the case but logic has nothing to do with it.

None of that sounds good, can you share a link? I’ve googled and looked for her candles and bath bombs and can’t find anything?

Yes quite a lot of them. She talks about that too.

Yea, that John of God case study made me feel very uncomfortable too. I think she should have removed that one!

My great aunt had breast cancer in the 1930s, no one knew then but we have the BRCA1 gene in the family. She had a mastectomy and lived for another 40 years. How did she do it? Well she told me she said a Novena to the Virgin Mary, she found the tumour "just in time" on the ninth night So there you are, that's what you need to do.

So you're advocating that she should selectively report?

The religious man in question has since been arrested for sexual assault.

The case study is about a man in remission from a glioblastoma brain tumour.

I believe it’s peddling false hope.

There is a dividend in Netflix about bluestones and the secret to long life and that's is pretty fascinating. A man that was given a terminal diagnosis gave up the rat race and went home to Italy to stay with daily and his cancer disappeared. The docu looks at what the places where people live the longest have in common. Defo worth a watch. But it seems to be a very varied diet with lots of beans, fish and healthy fats. Fermented foods. Growing your own food and gardening, A strong community and having purpose/volunteering in your life , exercising and being generally happy and accepting about your life and not being negative.

My MIL was diagnosed with stage 2 breast cancer that I think was also found in her lymph nodes? She had a lumpectomy and radiotherapy. She went on to live a further 36 years and actually died of something totally unconnected. I don't know how common that is though?

“she charts the 9 things that all the people who went into radical remission & had in common”

I wonder what they are? 🤔

That sounds similar to the themes in the book. Is that Blue Zones that you mean the documentary is about?

“During the course of her dissertation research, she focused her attention on two groups. The first group was radical remission survivors. She asked the radical remission survivors this question: “why do you think you healed?” The second group she interviewed was alternative healers who treat cancer.
From her research she found 75 factors could account for the healing. Nine of these factors occurred with the greatest frequency. Her book outlines these nine factors, which are:

1. Changing your diet
2. Taking control of your health
3. Following your intuition
4. Using herbs and supplements
5. Releasing suppressed emotions
6. Increasing positive emotions
7. Embracing social support
8. Deepening your spiritual connection
9. Having strong reasons for living”

I find this quite sickening. Coincidences and selective data selections being stitched together to create a web of false hope...

Thanks for this 👍

Sounds like vague unmeasurable bullshit. None of those concepts can be externally measures so how can anyone say they make a difference? What mechanism are you proposing? 'herbs and supplements' is pretty vague - there is a whole class of chemotherapy drugs that were originally plant extracts (Vinca alkaloids, extract from Madagascan periwinkle).

But she is very clear to say that she isn’t trying to create false hope.

Why can’t we have discussions about these kinds of things?

Like I said, my Dad died horribly in 6 months of bowel cancer. I think it’s important to look at everything because the ‘cure’ for cancer could lie anywhere.

So does she consider if it is the convential treatment that has caused the remission?

It reminds me of the Lilian Board case, she was a British runner in the 60s,she was an Olympic medal winner, she got cancer and went to some alternative clinic, maybe in Germany where it was all healthy eating and spring water. She died. If I remember correctly she was still competing just a few months before she died. It was very sad, such a fit healthy young woman who died so quickly.

Bullshit grifter shite.

That is all.

I said something like that to a Dr friend once and he said if that happens then basically the individual was wrongly diagnosed.

I’ve since had two loved ones diagnosed with stage 4 cancers and would agree if people get better then it’s wrong diagnoses. And it’s complete bullshit to pretend that a disease as vile as stage 4 cancer can be cured by diet and lifestyle.

God, that list of 9 things is worse than I thought. 'Having strong reasons for living'?!? Yeah because nobody who has died from cancer died because that had crap reasons for living.

She does mention that at the start yes.

She isn’t saying that any of this is fact- she presents it as a set of results from her research- not an opinion.

But she is very clear to say that she isn’t trying to create false hope.

You are being incredibly naive. You really think that some desperate people who are staring death in the face won't grasp at straws, any straws?

https://www.radicalremission.com/coach-training

https://www.radicalremission.com/

All you have to do is google Dr + the name and that's how you get to the moneymaking schemes. Doesn't include the money from book sales or podcast advertising/sponsorship, the advertising revenue from the series or any of the other things that make a shitload of dosh from the terrified.

As a cancer survivor, this kind of thing makes me deeply uncomfortable. I think it's immoral to exploit the desperate hope of people with terminal disease. There's a whole industry of expensive, unscientifically evidenced 'treatments' for people with stage 4 disease, most of which in my view seem to end up with the person ending up with a lot less money and no more time.

We'd all love to be able to duck cancer with 'this one neat trick'/this massive lifestyle overhaul and repenting of sins, but cancer is a bitch and the cells don't behave that way.

Personally I think people would be better served by being supported in facing up to the inevitability of death - it's a 100% certainty for all of us, after all - and by being able to face that without fear.