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AIBU was I being disrespectful?

101 replies

Whiteoleander2 · 30/08/2024 08:20

I brought up immunizations with sons dad (son 8 had all his immunizations) I'm now pregnant again and since that time his views on immunizing babies at such a young age has changed and he is now against it. All's I said was if he could look into them more and I started listing the names of them at which point he cut the conversation off and told me to stop listing them he wasn't interested and to come back to the conversation when I'd read a certain book on vaccines he'd suggested. I did keep listing them for a split second and then stopped, he then walked out the room in a huff, informed me he was putting his headphones in so couldn't hear my voice, I didn't respond, then 10 or so minutes later walked back in the room again muttered something about keeping his headphones in or something snide then walked back out again I didn't respond, just sat quietly, then another 5 minutes later walked in again and told me I was fucking disrespectful and not to do that again. Again I didn't respond. Was I being disrespectful not respecting his wishes to end the conversation immediately when he asked?

I tried to bring it up a few hours later saying I was willing to be open and read the book but I obviously would still be worried for the baby and all's I wanted was some support and reassurance to know that he felt the same, he told me he doesn't do comfort or reassurance only truth and it
instead it turned into a fight where he repeatedly called me a c-u-n-t multiple times

I feel so sad and alone and have no family or friends to speak to about this. Everytime someone asks if I'm ok at work I say fine, everytime my midwife asks if I'm ok I say yeah, I just can't bring myself to speak to anyone, even writing this is so hard and I question if the argument was my fault for being disrespectful.

OP posts:
alexdgr8 · 30/08/2024 13:52

OP, you need to get away from this man, asap.
good luck.

Daltonbear1 · 30/08/2024 13:52

Robert just Kennedy is a conspiracy nut just endorsed donakd trump as leader of the usa so I wouldn't listen to him. Why not listen to the fact in the UK measles have come back big time kids can die if go blind etc from. Measles. Polio is shit and that's been found in uk to. The thing is james o Brian on lbc has done programmes where people change as they go down the rabbit holes. Has this happened alot since covid? As many people did this after that

Foxblue · 30/08/2024 13:55

OP I'm really worried about you - did this behaviour start with you finding out you were pregnant again?

sonjadog · 30/08/2024 13:56

He sounds like a complete dimwit. So he is basing his ideas on a book he hasn't actually read and expects you just to accept them? You are way too good for this man, OP.

GreatMistakes · 30/08/2024 13:56

I feel so strongly pro vaccine that I think this is the one time that i wouldn't put him on the birth certificate if I could avoid it.

Dont be open minded to this ludicrous bullshit. Protect your child who could actually die.

Thatcat · 30/08/2024 13:58

He sounds like an 8 year old.

Nanny0gg · 30/08/2024 14:12

Whiteoleander2 · 30/08/2024 11:34

Thankyou for taking the time to listen and respond. I really appreciate it. Private counselling isn't currently an option nor do I think he's likely to ever engage in any type of counselling or opening up again.

I don't think he would read that book as he sees me as less educated on all subjects compared to him so anything I ever present from websites isn't applicable unless it's from a source he "trusts" I don't know the book but know he wouldn't listen to any newspaper articles or anything on Google or the NHS. Where ever he has found his information it will be most likely a podcast with some psychologist/scientist backing it up most likely and then he would have brought books and looked in to it more that having the vaccines as a baby can cause immune problems, respiratory diseases, learning difficulties etc etc and that the chances of baby dying from any of the diseases they are immunised against are small because he's from a different country and culture he believes his bloodline would survive without them as they didn't have them and they were fine. He's not against all vaccines in general, he agrees with the HPV vaccine and potentially vaccinating when the child is abit older, he's just changed his views on giving a small baby that many injections as he believes now their system can't cope with that many being so tiny.

They don't cope too well with polio, measles, German measles or diphtheria either

Nanny0gg · 30/08/2024 14:15

Candaceowens · 30/08/2024 13:37

Disregarding all the other stuff that obviously needs dealing with, I'd never ever put a vaccine into any child of mine.

And they walk amongst us...

I hope you show your gratitude to all the other parents that's made that stupid decision possible

(unless you've been advised by an actual doctor not to

Nanny0gg · 30/08/2024 14:18

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/08/2024 13:51

Robert F Kennedy Jr:

Kennedy continued his education at Harvard University, graduating in 1976 with a Bachelor of Arts in American history and literature. In 1982, he earned a Juris Doctor degree from the University of Virginia School of Law[18] and a Master of Laws from Pace University in 1987.

No medicine, no research qualifications, not even maths for the statistics. Not qualified.

He's a fully paid up nutcase conspiracy theorist though

thing47 · 30/08/2024 14:21

Further to @MrsTerryPratchett's excellent post, Kennedy's fellow author of that book is Brian Hooker. While Hooker does have some relevant qualifications, he's a disciple of the charlatan Andrew Wakefield who no longer has a licence to practise medicine in the UK. You should not lend any credence whatsoever to anything he says.

SensibleSigma · 30/08/2024 14:22

It sounds as though you need help to leave the relationship, not because of the vaccines or his unorthodox beliefs, but because he’s being an arsehole about it.

You shouldn’t be sat afraid to say anything because he’s blowing up swearing at you- and coming back to swear at you some more.

If you can’t say anything to the midwife, try saying nothing. That’s all you need to do to get started. When she says ‘how are you’, don’t answer. She’ll know to ask more. That’s all you need, someone to ask more.

Candaceowens · 30/08/2024 14:37

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Yours clearly didn't protect against being a vile person.

Candaceowens · 30/08/2024 14:38

Topseyt123 · 30/08/2024 13:44

Predictable. Here come the antivax conspiracy theorists and bullshitters.

My daughters have had dozens of vaccines each over the years, including the usual childhood ones, boosters, the ones offered in school, travel vaccines if required and Covid vaccines. As have I. We are all still present and correct. No issues at all.

Good for you, perhaps you're the predictable one though. What conspiracy theory have I written?

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/08/2024 14:41

What conspiracy theory have I written?

The only alternatives to conspiracy theories are:

You hate your children and want them to be at risk.
You hate other children and you don't care if they take the risk to protect your child.
You don't have children so it's a moot point.

Unless I've missed something.

PolePrince55 · 30/08/2024 14:43

Hi
I'm currently 13 weeks pregnant, I don't and have not taken any of the flu, covid, or whooping cough vaccines with any of my pregnancies, for my own reasons and for experiences I've witnessed first hand.
I do however get my children vaccinated @ the various different stages x

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/08/2024 14:44
Candaceowens · 30/08/2024 14:45

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/08/2024 14:41

What conspiracy theory have I written?

The only alternatives to conspiracy theories are:

You hate your children and want them to be at risk.
You hate other children and you don't care if they take the risk to protect your child.
You don't have children so it's a moot point.

Unless I've missed something.

Of course you've missed something. Did you just blindly give your children their vaccinations because that's what you were told to do?

gamerchick · 30/08/2024 14:49

No he's abusing you and he'll get worse. You need to tell someone IRL that you're not ok

Deal with vaccinations when you've dumped the daft twat and ignore the thick conspiracy theorists who all seem to have some sort of vaccine damage story.

Whiteoleander2 · 30/08/2024 14:50

PolePrince55 · 30/08/2024 14:43

Hi
I'm currently 13 weeks pregnant, I don't and have not taken any of the flu, covid, or whooping cough vaccines with any of my pregnancies, for my own reasons and for experiences I've witnessed first hand.
I do however get my children vaccinated @ the various different stages x

Would you mind sharing more on experiences you've witnessed first hand on those? One of the hospital ladies asked me at my 12 week scan if I was planning on having the whooping cough vaccine at 20 weeks, when I hesitated due to being put on the spot and knowing how OH felt about vaccines she seemed to push how important it was for me to get it for the baby. I've never had nor would get any of the COVID vaccines, didn't know they were now offered during pregnancy, obviously know the flu one is.

OP posts:
gamerchick · 30/08/2024 14:51

PolePrince55 · 30/08/2024 14:43

Hi
I'm currently 13 weeks pregnant, I don't and have not taken any of the flu, covid, or whooping cough vaccines with any of my pregnancies, for my own reasons and for experiences I've witnessed first hand.
I do however get my children vaccinated @ the various different stages x

Have you seen a baby with whooping cough? Christ. I'd get the ruddy thing if I could.

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/08/2024 14:51

Did you just blindly give your children their vaccinations because that's what you were told to do?

I have a BSc and studied statistics to degree level. I know about the very small incidence of vaccine damage and the large incidence of communicable disease damage.

Small or large. I choose small. Because it's smaller. Most people are pretty terrible at assessing risk and statistical information. I'm not.

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/08/2024 14:52
IdLikeToBeAFraser · 30/08/2024 15:07

Candaceowens · 30/08/2024 14:45

Of course you've missed something. Did you just blindly give your children their vaccinations because that's what you were told to do?

Actually, I do all kinds of things because that's what I'm told to do. Without doing any meaningful research. I don't eat various foods because I'm told they are poisonous - I haven't tested that theory for myself. I drive on the left because in this country, that is what we've been told to do. I think giving way for pedestrians as I come round a corner is ridiculous, but it's part of the new highway code so I do it becuase otherwise I could hurt someone and be blamed. I send my children and rely on the school to provide them with an appropriate curriculum becuase I am ont a professional educator and I don't know what, or how, to teach my children to get them to adulthood in this context. I take the medicine my doctor prescribes when I am sick because I am not a doctor and I want to feel better so I trust the person who has studied for years to be better at it.

So yes, I blindy give my children any and all vaccinations recommended by the health service, while checking any warnings they provide. I also know that vaccines, overall, have been hugely beneficial to the overall health of the global population.

Cherrysoup · 30/08/2024 15:52

‘Out of respect’? Yet he has none for you. I would not stay with my Dh if he ever used cunt as a name for me, just no way. Vaccinate your child, Christ, they’re pausing the conflict in Gaza to vaccinate children because it’s so important!

socks1107 · 30/08/2024 15:59

My ex didn't want my daughter have her mmr due to some other medical issues she had.
I ignored him tbh and took her. Was never an issue and he never mentioned it again!

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