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To fall out with my Father after he smacked my child?

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Grumblestiltskin · 17/04/2008 22:23

Late last year my partner, 3 year old son and I had to move into my parent?s house because our new home wasn't quite ready. We stayed there for 2 and a half months. I was pregnant at the time and also working three days a week.
Whilst we were there my Father took care of my son one day a week while I was at work - in addition to both my parents looking after him every Saturday, which is a regular arrangement. Prior to our stay my Father was the most indulgent Grandfather, maybe a little too indulgent and I told my Father to make sure he was firm with my son and he had my full permission to tell him off if he was naughty.

When we first moved in, I noticed it seemed to be usual practice for my Father to play games with my son where my son hit him. I told my Father not to let him away with it but my Father said that my son couldn't help himself and shouldn't be told off,. Anyway, (sorry, know that I?m rambling now) on our last day I heard my Father go into the bathroom to wash his hands and heard my son smack my Fathers on the bottom. Then I heard my Father smack my son and say "Don't hit me." My Father then when into the living room and acted as if nothing had happened. I followed him in disbelief and calmly asked him what had happened. When he told me, I told him that he did not have the authority to smack him, only tell him off and that if he had a problem with my son?s behavior then he should come to me or to my partner ( who was cooking, happily oblivious at the time) My father told me that I should control my son better..
Haven't spoken to my Father since beginning of Feb and things have turned even a bit frosty with my Mother who agreed with me at the time. Does anyone else think that it was unreasonable for my Father to smack my child without my permission or am i the one being unreasonable?

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stoppinattwo · 18/04/2008 07:18

Im with LGJ on this....

was your father ever known to smack you?? is this maybe why you feel a bit defensive about him smacking your son??

I would think if this is out of the ordinary then grandad was giving as good as he got. He sounds a very good grandad tbh. And really it was between him and your son, Your dad dealt with the situation and you dont say that your son was unduly distressed by it all. Infact it probably made him think "oh I wont smack grandad again"...job done .

Johnso · 18/04/2008 07:41

Agree with Bree here.

I think you have overreacted a little. You just need to explain that you dod not agree with smacking as a form of discipline and leave it at that. Why punish him?
He sounds like a loving grandfather who has a lot to offer your children.
Does your partner not get on with them in general?

Triggles · 18/04/2008 07:42

My parents spanked us when we were kids (whole long icky story, but that's beside the point), so when I had children, I made it perfectly clear to them that it was "hands off" - no spanking of any kind. They thought I was being a bit "new agey", as I recall, and figured I was in to have a kid that walked all over me, but they agreed to it and went along with it.

I think, for them, it was a generation thing. Their generation (and those previous) were raised with the "spare the rod, spoil the child" idea. It simply wouldn't have occurred to them to handle things any differently. Maybe your parents are the same way?

I do agree though, that if you're telling your child that there is no hitting, then regularly playing a game involving hitting (no matter how tame) is probably a bit of a mixed message.

notfair · 18/04/2008 08:03

He is your father and you say he looked after a bit. so all in all a really great Grandad. He made a mistake and is probably not sure what to say to you if you were so upset about it.

Is your partner angry because of the smacking or because he doesnt get on with your dad?

was your son upset, crying about the whole thing?

It sounds like the one really being punished is your son by not seeing his grandad.

OrmIrian · 18/04/2008 08:14

You have over-reacted. He sounds like a great grandfather in every other way. If he's looked after your DS quite a bit and never done this before I think it's safe to assume it was a one off. It could be left with a reminder that you don't like smacking without making him feel like he's done something terrible. It might have been an instinctive reaction at a moment of stress or tiredness and I would imagine he's feel guilty already.

I do agree about the mixed messages though. Hitting is either OK or it isn't.

Blu · 18/04/2008 08:50

You have adopted an uncompromising position out of an unclear, unboundaried context - which is not fair on your dad - or on your ds, really - is he now denied time with his grandad? Will he, in time, know that he was the focus of a falling out?

If you hadn't been utterly 100% outspokenly clear about 'no smackig' with your dad, if you hadn't totaly cleared up between you, with an agred shared strategy about his hitting, you are in there in the mix that led to this.

No harm has really been done - only the schism with your dad.

mend it - you will all be happier.

branflake81 · 18/04/2008 08:51

You have completely over-reacted. Fine, be a bit miffed that he smacked your son but it's certainly not worth breaking off all contact. Families are important - frustrating and annoyiing at times but important and your son was lucky to have a granddad that cared so much for him. I think you shuould try and make amends.

CantSleepWontSleep · 18/04/2008 08:58

I was a bit sympathetic until you said 'We're generally a no smacking family except for extreme circumstances' - that means that you are NOT a no smacking family, so you are possibly giving mixed messages to your father. Were you smacked a child, whereby you knew that this was part of their parenting (lack of) technique?

Makingdo · 18/04/2008 09:03

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Grumblestiltskin · 18/04/2008 09:09

R2G, I do live too far away to just pop in.
But sending something in the post is a good idea. I will pop something in the post in the next day or two.
There are deeper issues but its hard too give you the entire back story. My dp used to get on my Father but kind of saw the real him when we lived together. It was an escalating problem that my Father was becoming too cross and losing his temper too quickly and shout at my son in a way that was way too much for a 3/4 year old. Had spoken to him aout it. Sister and relatives had noticed it too and had thought it was a bit much.
Was smacked quite hard when I was a child and my dp was abused as a child. He finds my father a little overbearing. I stress again to everyone that I would NEVER try to stop my son seeing his grandparents and I've made sure that we've met up with my Mother since, have invited my Father out but he didn't want to come. But from what my father said to my sister and Mother, he thinks that I'm the one to blame. Its kind of his way or the highway. Would love to state that smacking was not what we wanted and indeed tried to say so at the time but my Father didn't want to hear it.
As for the smacking games - My son understands not to hit me but smacking as a game on the bottom is ok. Was like that for me as a child too. My parents played the same game and I never hit them. He wasn't confused. Had a whole different game with my Father which involved boxing which is the game I had a problem with.

Really glad that you all think that grandparents are so important and I completely agree. Thank you for all your comments.

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Grumblestiltskin · 18/04/2008 09:14

Sorry forgot to say that my son's hand was red but not bruised or anything. Think my son was a bit dazed but didn't cry.

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SlartyBartFast · 18/04/2008 09:17

well you were staying in their house, understandable if people get short tempered.
and frm what i read in the op you were positively asking your dad to discipline him.
i would live and let live. your ds hit him, so he smacked him back.
hope you can bite the bullet and make up

lemonstartree · 18/04/2008 09:19

agree with Bree. Get over yourself.

ellideb · 18/04/2008 09:29

oh FGS life's too short to fall out with your father over something so trivial. You did tell him he should discipline your son more, so what did you expect? You should sit down with both your parents, apologise for the crossed wires and create some clear boundaries of what IS and IS NOT acceptable when disciplining your son. Then no one will be unsure and your son can enjoy the relationship he has with both his granparents and parents without feeling the tensions between them.

soapbox · 18/04/2008 09:34

I don't think the OP is being at all unreasonable. Why on earth would any one smack a child, other than a parent. I would be absolutely horrified if any member of my family saw fit to smack my child. We don't smack our children and if anyone else did, then I would be furious.

Asking someone to discipline a child more, does not automatically mean smacking, if the father was in any doubt he should have asked.

It sounds like he is an overbearing bully - I can fully understand why the OP wants to keep her distance. The fact that he is not willing to see anything wrong with what he did, is very telling indeed.

I would make it clear to your mother that an apology is very important to you. Then, frankly, the ball is in his court.

margoandjerry · 18/04/2008 09:39

Good god, get a grip. You haven't spoken to your loving father since Feb over this? Jesus. What do you think is more damaging? A smack from a loving grandfather or a family rift?

Don't forget he will have been brought up with smacking as a normal, acceptable and non-abusive way of disciplining children. That's how it was seen almost universally just a few decades ago. I was brought up like this too (I am 40). I was smacked as a child and it really wasn't abuse.

Times have changed and it's not deemed acceptable now and fair enough. I can see why. But it doesn't make what happened a bit deal and I am horrified that you would put your family at risk like this.

I don't smack and nor does my sister but if my loving, wonderful mother smacked one of our children, I wouldn't give it another moment's thought. I know she's a kind, caring, wonderful grandmother and she's doing what she thinks is best. If you don't think your father is kind and caring and lovely then that's another issue. BTW my mother has smacked my six year old nephew and he adores her and still does.

ellideb · 18/04/2008 09:44

here here margoandjerry

Grumblestiltskin · 18/04/2008 09:55

Thank you soapbox, glad you agree with me. I very much doubt that my Father will say sorry as he?s not the apologizing sort. If anyone is going to try and sort things out it has to be me because my Father will never try otherwise.
Everyone, I?m going to try again and will give them a ring and ask them to meet me for a coffee so that we can discuss the issue. Yes my Father is very overbearing but that doesn't mean to say that I don't love him very much. So i'm going to try for my sons sake especially.
My partner does not want my father looking after my son again and I have to respect his wishes.
Other than that i will let you know how it all goes.

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Flynnie · 18/04/2008 10:07

GS your doing the right thing and you would be doing the best thing for your ds.

I wouldnt really want my parents to smack my children and your father shouldn't have after allowing the playful hitting.

'you should have extracted your posterior from what ever seat you were on' Bree the OP does say that she had just given birth so no need to be mean!

notfair · 18/04/2008 10:13

FFS you partner wont let your dad look after your son? I think its clear why you haven't been in contact since Feb.
You mentioned that your Partner was abused..is he making this incident bigger then it is because of his past?

How will that make your dad feel that he isnt allowed to spend time unsupervised with your son?

You really need to work out if this is worth losing a parent for.

amidaiwish · 18/04/2008 10:21

dads and grandparents are not around forever

you have totally overreacted

get over yourself and sort this out.
your partner has other issues, no need to deprive his son of his grandad over this.

if he died tomorrow, how would you feel?

SORT IT OUT. YAB VERY U.

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ImightbeLulumama · 18/04/2008 10:41

do you ever give people a second chance, grumble? your dad made an error of judgement, and you are not giving him teh chance to make amends.

your son is going ot miss out, he is used to having been looked after by your dad whilst you worked, and now, he is probably wondering why he does not see him....

so, when he is 5 or 6 or however old, and he says, 'why don;t we see grandma and grandpa?" you are going to have to tell him, 'well, when you were 3, grandpa smacked your hand, so i stopped talking to him' and your son will no doubt blame himself partially for this

is this really such a deal breaker for you? what happens when you have more DCs?

i thikn your knee jerk reaction needs rethinking before your relationship becomes totally unfixable

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