To be shocked this isn't getting more coverage?

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Women in Afghanistan are now forbidden from speaking when not inside their homes. A simple "hello" to someone in a shop is now against the law. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/aug/26/taliban-bar-on-afghan-women-speaking-in-public-un-afghanistan

AIBU to think this is some of the most horrific news I've heard in months? I can't wrap my head around it and I can't help thinking - activists/newspapers/politicians are loud when campaigning about the gender pay gap or the state of child care or a woman's rights to her own body but somehow on this topic no one wants to criticise too often or too loudly.

Is it because religion is mixed in? Or guilt over the war? Or do politicians in particular only care about women's rights when it's a vote-winner in their constituency? Or is it just that it's so terrible and we all feel so powerless to prevent it that we just prefer to ignore the situation?

I'm feeling v v shaken.

Currently?

Is there a country which is led by this that is freer for women and girls atm? I'd be interested to hear which ones

All religions have been distorted to control abuse, rape and murder women. Currently Incels are promoting it in a non-religious ideology.

Not all countries are led by religion to the same extent

Where would you prefer to live?

It's an easy choice for me, and dd

Any country that allows religion to be involved in its government or the governing of its social policy will not be good for women.

Yes - see Ireland in the 20th century. Progressive societies separate church and state.

This is the part that gets me, all those billions of dollars of weapons and vehicles for them to use to continue their oppression.

Those were quite a long time ago you'd have to admit.

This is going to sound harsh, but if their own damn husbands won't fight for them I fail to see why completely unrelated young ( mostly) men should have to sacrifice their lives .
Let's be honest Afghans have been killing each other for centuries.
The only thing I can think of is flights out of the country , women and children only, but the Taliban would probably shoot them down. I know , totally pie in the sky stuff. Those poor women.

Absolutely agree. There are millions of Afghan men here in Europe seeking refuge, why aren't they protesting, marching, raising awareness & advocating with every source at their disposal..
Look at the way the Ukranians & Iranians have organised protests, marches, flags done whatever they could to advocate for their homeland & those left behind.

If anyone on this earth is unconditionally, unarguably entitled to asylum in the west right now...it's women in these fucking hellholes.

It doesn't sound harsh. It sounds ignorant.

They can't even leave their front doors without a male chaperone, they haven't a hope of getting to a border for safe crossing. Winter is coming & winters in Afghanistan are extremely harsh, these women are literally living hell on earth.

Ok. I'm happy to be informed. Is it that the Afghans haven't been killing each other for centuries bit or what?

All awful, all very much in the past, all condemned and none turned entire countries into theocracies with the sheer scale of murder/torture/oppression that jihadi groups have.

I’m finding the comparison of groups like ISIS to the Magdalene laundries to be a bit like when you discuss male violence and somebody pops up to say ‘women can be violent too’. Yes but the sheer scale and extent of the issue is entirely different to the point there’s no meaningful comparison.

Whilst I agree with your sentiment, it's terrible behaviour and treatment but that's just to our standards. They more than likely think the west live terribly and in a lot of ways we do.

You can't expect the rest of the world to be westernised, you must let them live how they want to live. The west are so arrogant to think that they can dictate to the rest of the world how they should live.

This. And the Afghan men both here in the west & in Afghanistan must want & be the change if anything is to ever change.

In all fairness they were left in the ‘care’ of the Afghan army who then deserted.

Agree. Excusing fundamentalist Islam and the death cults that have turned entire countries into hellholes does not help people now. The Inquisitions were in the 15th century. Islam was aldo busy invading and brutalising other countries ( although ironically the Mughuls were more cultured and progressive than the Taliban are now). There are no Christian countries that violently impose fundamentalist Christianity on the population on pain of death, or sponsir terrorism around the world this century. The vast majority of people killed by Islamic fundamentalists are Muslim. Are they saying ' Oh never mind. Christians were worse 300 years ago so let's just put up with it'? I agree Afghani men in the West should be protesting and standing up fir their own women. But they aren't. They have left their own women and children to be brutalised in a country where they would have been free to do what they like and are living life in the West.

@Lms63738 which ‘mates’? People always say ‘mates’ but never specify who or back it up with any evidence whatsoever.

@Lms63738

Afghanistan was invaded because big deference needed payday off the taxpayers back, a bit like Ukraine now.

You make some decent points, but entirely invalidated by that bit of pro-Putin nonsense you snuck in here.

It’s not religion that creates this, it’s inadequate, misogynistic, hateful MEN with too much power. Every single fucking time, it’s men.

But every country has men in it, and very very few are like Afghanistan.

Agree with pp. You are skipping over the incredibly dangerous belief system that motivates the Taliban and those who agree with them