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Aibu to not want to move up north

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time2changeCharlieBrown · 25/08/2024 21:02

My dh has been offered a great job opportunity a high payrise
the catch is we have to relocate up north near Leeds
so my main concerns is the weather
I hate winter, rain and snow and up there seems to get more?
also I joined a few online community groups recently to get a feel for it and learn about the areas and what’s around
all I have mainly seen is awful things about robbery’s and car theft and violent crimes! It’s really putting me off!
we have a son who is not too far off an age to go clubbing and for nights out and even though he is 6 foot 5 he’s very striking looking mixed race (Greek) and I worry about him being a target and our eldest daughter too also very striking ,but both quite naive as we currently live in a small village and don’t often go into big cities and they are at small schools.
my dh is from a different town up north not too far from Leeds still has friends there and says it’s fine and all city’s are the same and the kids will be fine as not in any gangs and unlikely to be. I am a worrier so Aibu to not want to move?

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Demonhunter · 26/08/2024 13:14

HolyPeaches · 26/08/2024 12:09

@time2changeCharlieBrown although some on this thread make me feel we won’t be welcome anyway

As a born and bred Yorkshire lass, I can guarantee that’s because of your original post.

It came across as negative from the get-go. Assuming it’s all doom and gloom, riddled with crime, shit weather and that your kids are too good looking striking and therefor will be a target for ‘something’?

If you had a completely different approach and open mind I’m sure myself and other Yorkshire and northern folk would have been happy to offer advice and be more welcoming.

Also to just describe it as the ‘North’. We have cities here. Towns. Villages. Hamlets. Countryside. Culture. Music. Castles. Rivers. Beaches. Coastlines. Amazing food and even better people.

Be a bit more open minded, and folk will be a lot more welcoming.

Yeah the "striking" comment made me laugh. Maybe OP thinks all Northerners look like snaggletooth crackheads as opposed to her attractive kids.

Aibu to not want to move up north
justasking111 · 26/08/2024 13:24

Octopies · 26/08/2024 10:48

Leeds city centre is a shit hole, lots of empty shops and street drinkers/drug taking. Kirkstall and Headingley are very studenty areas and so have a fairly high crime rate. I wouldn't want to live in either tbh. If you can afford proper Roundhay, not on the Harehills border that would be considered a decent area. However, your insurance is likely to be expensive as LS8 also covers Harehills which is a very rough area. Garforth is ok, house prices are fairly reasonable and it has two train stations so good for commuting. If you can live further out, basically any of the villages on the way out to Wetherby starting from Shadwell are nice and picturesque.

I won't disagree but presumed @time2changeCharlieBrown has capital behind her rather than being a renter. I could of course be wrong.

justasking111 · 26/08/2024 13:29

@time2changeCharlieBrown just been looking at rentals in the nice part of the city, £1500 upwards I'm looking at LS1 the business district. So if you're a renter that's something to consider.

My DS paid £1400 pcm for a furnished flat in Britannia street. It was re-let at £2k a month two years ago. 2 beds

BitOutOfPractice · 26/08/2024 13:30

And by the way, as well as all of your other prejudices, the north of enhksnd isn't done hotbed of racism. In fact I'd get my mortgage that a multi-cultural city like Leeds is far more tolerant than your village idyll. So even if your kids were mixed race - which they are not - they'll be fine I'm sure

This surely has to be a wind up?!

BitOutOfPractice · 26/08/2024 13:30

Demonhunter · 26/08/2024 13:14

Yeah the "striking" comment made me laugh. Maybe OP thinks all Northerners look like snaggletooth crackheads as opposed to her attractive kids.

Yes, and all short, stunted by a diet of gruel and the unremitting drizzle.

Missamyp · 26/08/2024 13:33

ExpressCheckout · 26/08/2024 12:04

OP you don't mention where exactly you live in the SW, but violent crime also happens in Bristol, Exeter, St Austell etc. Also Redruth many places in the SW have growing social problems with drugs, crime, poverty, etc.

Leeds is a great city. If you don't want the city life, there are plenty of smaller commutable satellite towns that other posters have mentioned. I would however, avoid the student areas if you can, but I'd say this for most cities.

You may find you have a much better standard of living in 'the north'. Folks are friendlier, generally, and you don't have the arrogant/spoiled attitudes that often come along with the South or those wearing 'London' blinkers.

Just ignore the ignorant sterotypes. The 'north' is a very diverse place in terms of population, geography and weather. We are ignored and often feel neglected by London/the South, but there's a place for everyone here.

Rather contradictory the the northern posters claim to be friendly despite becoming snippy over anything remotely like criticism. 😂

BitOutOfPractice · 26/08/2024 13:35

I feel snippy about this @Missamyp and I'm a midlander living in the south east. Go figure

alrightluv · 26/08/2024 13:36

@Missamyp tbh people who post here can be from anywhere. Just say they're superior Northern.

justasking111 · 26/08/2024 13:38

time2changeCharlieBrown · 26/08/2024 12:17

Yes I get that I had my negative head on
and I came across wrongly
just worried about leaving our life and bubble although I can say it's. Not all that great here either, it’s lonely and boring, but never really hear of any crime , but I don’t really look for it
Either and it was just a shock to hear about some of the things happening on the community groups , although some pp pointing out that this is often the way with these groups and not a true reflection
I feel much more at ease after the useful information from some of the people here and some of the nearby areas sounds very appealing.
sorry it came across that way, I admit I was very negative and I can see now it’s unfounded and unbalanced view.
I am on a much more neutral level and ready to seriously consider the possibility of relocating and looking forward to visiting some of these areas mentioned above

I think you will settle in here as will your children. You've the choice of Leeds and York for your children's university. A word of warning from my son's partner make sure that the school they attend has a sixth form. Some are booted out because there is no sixth form

Demonhunter · 26/08/2024 13:45

Missamyp · 26/08/2024 13:33

Rather contradictory the the northern posters claim to be friendly despite becoming snippy over anything remotely like criticism. 😂

It's more self deprecating humour because we've heard it all before, so we pull out all the typical stereotypes we've grown up hearing.

x2boys · 26/08/2024 13:50

justasking111 · 26/08/2024 13:38

I think you will settle in here as will your children. You've the choice of Leeds and York for your children's university. A word of warning from my son's partner make sure that the school they attend has a sixth form. Some are booted out because there is no sixth form

Most schools in my northern town don't have a sixth form ,we do have a huge sixth form college a huge technical college next to each other though.

x2boys · 26/08/2024 13:51

Missamyp · 26/08/2024 13:33

Rather contradictory the the northern posters claim to be friendly despite becoming snippy over anything remotely like criticism. 😂

Well when posters generalise and slate the whole of the North, it does grate a bit.

Cesarina · 26/08/2024 13:55

Rummly · 26/08/2024 12:06

No, you’re much mistaken. The big money in law and finance is rushing to Lower Widdling-on-the-Moor in Devon. It’s the happening place.

😂😂😂

Octopies · 26/08/2024 14:00

justasking111 · 26/08/2024 13:24

I won't disagree but presumed @time2changeCharlieBrown has capital behind her rather than being a renter. I could of course be wrong.

I think she said budget was very decent, £500-600k, so will easily find a nice big house in one of the further out villages. Plenty of the villages have their own train station, if that's how they're commuting in to work, or good for teenagers wanting to meet friends in the city. I'm just not seeing what the city centre has to offer that would make OP's husband suggest Kirkstall or Headingley, especially if they're wanting a village vibe over city living. There's probably more shops and restaurants at the many shopping centres and it's easier and often quicker to nip on the motorway to White Rose centre, Thorpe Park, Xscape etc since the city centre is quite car unfriendly these days.

Saschka · 26/08/2024 14:14

Demonhunter · 26/08/2024 13:14

Yeah the "striking" comment made me laugh. Maybe OP thinks all Northerners look like snaggletooth crackheads as opposed to her attractive kids.

To be fair, that is far more in keeping with the stereotype of inbred Devon yokels Wink

LakelandDreams · 26/08/2024 14:17

time2changeCharlieBrown · 26/08/2024 11:37

Octopies… This is exactly the stuff I’ve been reading about and worrying about, and dh family have mentioned these things too up there.
a few knife crime attacks and robberies and also some racism where they are and nearby.
I know things happen else where but seems certain places are worse than others
or at least you hear about them more
of course I don’t think it’s the slums
and yes I need to get out of my bubble more
(since COVID been home based more)
I am sure most people are lovely
although some on this thread make me feel we won’t be welcome anyway
we will still go for the weekend and visit as many places as possible and some do sound really nice and I am feeling better about seeing those
its giving me more to think about and the older dc are excited about potentially new places to explore with more going on they are very interested in arts and history so I think some of the places will be very appealing to them and my dh went to Leeds university so I think he’d be happy if our dc chose there, and our daughter is interested in arts and agriculture and hear York is good for that subject, so we shall see.

Yes, unfortunately there is some anti-white racism but you'd get that in some communities down south too. Just pick the area you live in carefully and you'll be fine.

YorkshireWelsh · 26/08/2024 14:31

Just to put my two penn’orth in (don’t bother claiming you can’t understand what I just said OP)…

  1. In response to a PP who claims Huddersfield is awful (or words to that effect), I live there and it’s really not! Like lots of towns it’s centre isn’t in the best state, but it’s starting to see some investment again and has everything you need day to day (supermarkets / high street shops / parks / etc). Like most towns, there are nice suburbs, with lovely communities and round here the bonus of fantastic house prices. Huddersfield / mirfield / Brighouse are all on train lines to Leeds, and have easy access to the M62 for road travel. Leeds / Liverpool / Manchester all in easy reach for city life and airports etc.
  2. We do have ‘striking’ (read: good looking - we noticed the false modesty OP) people in the north, including those from mixed race backgrounds. Your kids may be stunners OP, and good for them if so, but I sincerely doubt they’ll be so unusual as to attract that much attention 😂
  3. Village life is available here; in fact it’s probably as plentiful as in the SW. Commuting villages a-plenty, so you should find something that suits your wish list, if you can bring yourself to write one in between dreading having to visit the dark and terrible lands we inhabit…

All in all OP, in case you hadn’t figured it out for yourself, I think YABVVVVVVVU; not for being cautious about relocating, but for your reasons and attitude. Like PPs have said, I’d worry more about your kids’ education etc than our crime rate and weather.

Just don’t be too surprised if you see a sign saying ‘OP is not welcome here’ on the outskirts of the villages you deign to consider; we might not be totally backwards, but we are pretty proud, and we don’t take kindly to uninformed, narrow minded criticism of our beautiful north!!

Simonsignoret · 26/08/2024 14:50

BitOutOfPractice · 26/08/2024 11:49

You do realise everyone in the north isn’t a snaggle toothed slack jawed drunk living in a crack den don’t you? 🙄

We all know that, no doubt @time2changeCharlieBrown does. It’s a wind up.

Let’s be honest, the same desirable places will be trotted out as usual. Harrogate, Ilkley, Chapel Allerton etc. People falling over themselves to tell OP where is ok to live with artisan bakeries and a new branch of Gails.

Simonsignoret · 26/08/2024 14:54

Demonhunter · 26/08/2024 13:45

It's more self deprecating humour because we've heard it all before, so we pull out all the typical stereotypes we've grown up hearing.

There are shite areas though. Lots of them. Yes there are lovely highly expensive places to live and you wouldn’t know you weren’t in Guildford or T Wells. For many of us born and bred northerners those places are absolutely unaffordable.

SuperFi · 26/08/2024 14:56

If you’re visiting Ilkley, York or Harrogate, you must make a stop at Betty’s Tearooms . Enjoy your trip😀

I think some people are being harsh on the OP, many of us have misconceptions of what goes on in other areas of the Uk. My friend once wound up a southern colleague ( who had never ventured north) that we still
had outside toilets, and they believed it.

Simonsignoret · 26/08/2024 14:57

SuperFi · 26/08/2024 14:56

If you’re visiting Ilkley, York or Harrogate, you must make a stop at Betty’s Tearooms . Enjoy your trip😀

I think some people are being harsh on the OP, many of us have misconceptions of what goes on in other areas of the Uk. My friend once wound up a southern colleague ( who had never ventured north) that we still
had outside toilets, and they believed it.

Edgy 😂

DrPeculiar · 26/08/2024 14:59

Simonsignoret · 26/08/2024 14:50

We all know that, no doubt @time2changeCharlieBrown does. It’s a wind up.

Let’s be honest, the same desirable places will be trotted out as usual. Harrogate, Ilkley, Chapel Allerton etc. People falling over themselves to tell OP where is ok to live with artisan bakeries and a new branch of Gails.

Never heard of Gails, had to google it. 😂

I don't feel like the OP is cut out for genteel old Harrogate.

Parker231 · 26/08/2024 15:00

time2changeCharlieBrown · 25/08/2024 21:45

I can’t say I go to London either once a very long time ago
i tjink my problem is I only ever lived in small towns or villages and it’s where I also grew up in one and I’m not used to more built up places ,so I guess the idea scares me especially after the things I have seen on these communities groups people are talking about it just seems scary and not enticing at all .

You don’t have to live in central Leeds - look at the small villages in the surrounding area.

You’re giving Southerners a bad name with your comments. Your DC’s could easily decide on a northern Uni or get jobs up there.

violetto · 26/08/2024 15:04

Leeds is an incredible, vibrant city, I'd love to live there again! (Yorkshire born living in London now.)

Open your mind, it's a cracking part of the world.

MereDintofPandiculation · 26/08/2024 15:05

RugbyGranny · 26/08/2024 12:18

Near Manchester is not the same as Leeds weather-wise. The west of the Pennines tends to be drier than the East - hence Lancashire spun cotton which needs a damper climate to not snap. I used to live in Ilkley (several lifetimes ago) easily commutable to Leeds and a lovely place to live.....
There are so many towns and villages around Leeds that offer a brilliant lifestyle - keep an open mind...

Other way round. West (Lancashire) wetter than East.