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Does anyone else not really have any friends?

463 replies

Hernamewaslola22 · 23/08/2024 19:48

Wondering if it's just me. I have friends at work and 1 or 2 out of work...we very very rarely do anything together. I spend most weekends completely alone. I feel like most women have these big groups of girlfriends.

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WhatNoRaisins · 31/08/2024 09:14

I also agree with the muscle analogy. My own parents genuinely do seem happy with minimal social contact now but I think it's similar to how an extreme couch potato feels perfectly happy with minimal physical activity. The health implications of not having these things are still going to be there whether you're happy without them or not.

Duckduckgoose24 · 31/08/2024 09:17

theleafandnotthetree · 31/08/2024 09:11

Are you me? That is exactly whst I am like. I saw it described as being a non-shy introvert. Being amongst people holds no fears for me, I can talk to anyone, love other people's company and especially my friends but time alone to replenish is sacrosanct. If I thought I couldn't get decent chunks of it then that WOULD make me anxious and unhappy. I am separated for 8 years, have my children half the time and to be honest,vthat set up probably suits me pretty well. I would never live with a man again.

And are you me? I'm in a similar set up with my kids, and you've described perfectly how I operate. I like meeting people, I'm friendly, happy, chatty, give everyone a chance, say hello to strangers etc but there are times I'm just so happy to shut the door and be on my own.

Thepeopleversuswork · 31/08/2024 10:38

That is exactly whst I am like. I saw it described as being a non-shy introvert. Being amongst people holds no fears for me, I can talk to anyone, love other people's company and especially my friends but time alone to replenish is sacrosanct.

That is what being an introvert means though. It’s nothing to do with “hating people” or “having no friends” or “wanting to be with my little family”.

It’s maddening that it’s been co-opted by people who are terrified of social interaction and can’t bear to leave their own homes.

neverbeenskiing · 31/08/2024 10:42

I've always made friends easily, but I've realised I'm not great at maintaining friendships anymore.
My job is great but very full on and 'peopley', and I have 2 kids with SEN so my plate feels pretty full. I always think 'I must message X or give them a call' and I genuinely have every intention of doing so, but then the thought gets pushed out of my head by all the other things I need to remember, then when that person messages or calls me I feel bad that they're always the one to make contact. I always enjoy going out and socialising with friends once I'm actually there, but getting there can seem like a monumental effort sometimes and I really value time to myself, or just with DH.

What women expect of their friends seems to vary wildly and I've definitely let friendships drift when it's become apparent that the other person expected a level of time and communication that I couldn't deliver. In my early twenties I had a big group of friends and we all lived in each others pockets basically. We saw each other most days and we were in constant communication. That's not something I could sustain now. My friendships that have survived are the low maintenance ones with friends who, like me, have busy lives so there's no expectation to reply to messages straight away and be available all the time. We might not see each other for weeks or even months at a time but when we do get together it's like no time has passed.

CharlotteRumpling · 31/08/2024 13:01

The thread has moved on so apologies if I have missed what has been said, but this week I messaged a friend and asked if she might be interested in seeing a play. She said no. I assumed she was busy and it was too much of a trek, not that I am horrible. I then messaged another friend. She said yes.
If she hadn't, I would have gone alone.

My point is one does have to exercise the muscle and make the effort.

SeaweedSundress · 31/08/2024 13:32

WhatNoRaisins · 31/08/2024 09:14

I also agree with the muscle analogy. My own parents genuinely do seem happy with minimal social contact now but I think it's similar to how an extreme couch potato feels perfectly happy with minimal physical activity. The health implications of not having these things are still going to be there whether you're happy without them or not.

Yes, absolutely. And a couch potato is going to be left wheezing, aching and absolutely exhausted by the first week of Couch to 5 K, just as someone who’s let their social fitness go for years will be drained and probably be made to feel uncomfortable, maybe horribly uncomfortable, at their first coffee morning or night class.

Both may go home thinking ‘Well, not doing that again!’

And that discomfort and exhaustion will be the same whether or not illness, difficult circumstances, agoraphobia, lockdowns etc etc or just disinclination was what caused the lack of fitness or social fitness.

But the discomfort isn’t a reason not to try to retrain your social muscle, just as we know that some basic level of physical fitness is needed for health, even when an illness or disability makes exercising very hard. Regardless of whether or not we’re perfectly happy with no other person in our lives, or never getting off the sofa, our mental and physical health is better with some form of social and physical exercise, however minimal.

SeaweedSundress · 31/08/2024 13:35

CharlotteRumpling · 31/08/2024 13:01

The thread has moved on so apologies if I have missed what has been said, but this week I messaged a friend and asked if she might be interested in seeing a play. She said no. I assumed she was busy and it was too much of a trek, not that I am horrible. I then messaged another friend. She said yes.
If she hadn't, I would have gone alone.

My point is one does have to exercise the muscle and make the effort.

But also, @CharlotteRumpling — you didn’t interpret the initial ‘no’ as some kind of indication you were a terrible, unlikeable person, or a pathetic no-hoper for asking, rather than an indication that person wasn’t free or didn’t want to see the play. You just asked someone else. And would have gone to see the play alone if no one else was interested in seeing it, without thinking that made you a tragic Billy-no-mates.

CharlotteRumpling · 31/08/2024 13:40

Yes, I never assume that I am pathetic or unlikeable. That way madness lies.
I always assume that the person is busy, skint or just doesn't want to see that particular play. It's better for my mental health.

Comedycook · 31/08/2024 14:23

SeaweedSundress · 31/08/2024 13:35

But also, @CharlotteRumpling — you didn’t interpret the initial ‘no’ as some kind of indication you were a terrible, unlikeable person, or a pathetic no-hoper for asking, rather than an indication that person wasn’t free or didn’t want to see the play. You just asked someone else. And would have gone to see the play alone if no one else was interested in seeing it, without thinking that made you a tragic Billy-no-mates.

It's interesting. I'd have assumed the friend was upset with me or no longer liked me for some reason. I'd probably not contact them again unless they contacted me first....if they contacted me again first I'd then assume all was fine.

CharlotteRumpling · 31/08/2024 15:15

Comedycook · 31/08/2024 14:23

It's interesting. I'd have assumed the friend was upset with me or no longer liked me for some reason. I'd probably not contact them again unless they contacted me first....if they contacted me again first I'd then assume all was fine.

I have gone low contact with a couple of friends who persistently refuse to meet, even for a coffee, and are always too busy. However, I haven't assumed they don't like me. I just think some people prefer social media friendships and have no inclination to meet, especially post pandemic.

WickerwomanIamnot · 31/08/2024 15:17

I don't have a single friend. I used to have friends but all DC have SEN and this left me very isolated I suppose. I work a few hours when the DC are in school and care the rest of the time so it's impossible to socialise.

Most women I know seem to have friends. I don't think being friendless is the norm.

WhatNoRaisins · 31/08/2024 15:52

CharlotteRumpling · 31/08/2024 15:15

I have gone low contact with a couple of friends who persistently refuse to meet, even for a coffee, and are always too busy. However, I haven't assumed they don't like me. I just think some people prefer social media friendships and have no inclination to meet, especially post pandemic.

I'm still not sure how I want to handle these sorts of friends. I can live with always being the one who initiates but when you keep asking again and again it starts to feel humiliating.

I don't think they dislike me, especially as it's not like they are meeting with others instead. I'm taking them at their word that they are too busy. It's just after a while I'm questioning what the point is, I think when you go too long without making an effort the relationship starts to wither. Even if they do later find the time for me is there going to be anything left?

CharlotteRumpling · 31/08/2024 17:12

Well @WhatNoRaisins I have distanced myself from friends who don't match my effort. It doesn't have to be an exact match- I am also used to initiating-but at least we need to be on the same page.

Thepeopleversuswork · 31/08/2024 18:22

this week I messaged a friend and asked if she might be interested in seeing a play. She said no. I assumed she was busy and it was too much of a trek, not that I am horrible

@CharlotteRumpling it sounds as if you are someone who still uses the “social muscle”. If that was the first time you had contacted anyone to propose doing something for years it may have become magnified in importance in your brain, a bit like it may seem daunting to propose a first date if you are coming out of a 20 year marriage.

I keep coming back to the fact that the only real solution to this is to make sure you keep the social muscle working, even if it’s infrequent.

There are so many posts, on this thread and many others, from people who vastly overthink interactions with other people which could potentially lead to the creation of a friendship or which could fall under the umbrella of friendship forming behaviour. She didn’t message back within three hours: block and delete. She wasn’t free Thursday night: she must be cow. She blew me out because her kid was sick: too much drama.

In the vast majority of cases these things are nothing. They are nobody’s fault, they are just trivial things and not intended as sleights. But people persistently over interpret and interpret negatively.

When people invest too much in any relationship it shows and it’s off putting to be on the receiving end. A lot of people scare potential friends off because they overreact to things like this and behave in frankly mad ways, making themselves look unstable and needy.

Thr social muscle is what keeps your hand in and normalises these things so they don’t assume gargantuan importance in your own head. And the people who retreat from society because of “my little family” (or whatever) lose the muscle.

Use it or lose it.

NewName24 · 31/08/2024 22:25

Thepeopleversuswork · 31/08/2024 08:21

@NowImNotDoingIt

Assuming most of it is self inflicted is akin to what was she wearing and how much did she have to drink. Shit happens. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Being smug about it is not a good look.

Not sure if this is aimed at me?

Look clearly it’s not all self inflicted. Some people genuinely struggle with social stuff and others have had circumstancial factors. Life gets in the way.

But I don’t think it’s smug to point out that there’s an obvious correlation between people who celebrate the withdrawal into the family and the people who lament the fact they have no friends.

I also think, as I have said here many times, the celebration of the retreat into isolation which flies under the fig leaf of “being an introvert” is profoundly toxic and actually quite dangerous.

You can’t avoid the loss of friendships altogether and you can’t force people to like you. But you do need to keep the “social muscle”. You need to maintain at least the outlook that allows you to conceive that it’s possible to make friends. And this celebration of “introversion” (not actually introversion at all but misanthropy and anxiety) acts as a brake which prevents people keeping this social muscle alive. And we really need to call it out as the dangerous rubbish it is.

Well said.

I am also liking the 'social muscle' imagery.

I am absolutely the same as @CharlotteRumpling re a person not being able to / not wanting to join me at an event. I just don't get this paranoid thinking of "X doesn't like me" or "What have I done to upset X?" when the most likely reason they aren't joining you is any one of:

  • they don't like that sort of play
  • they've already seen it
  • they are somewhere else that night
  • they've just got a really busy week and don't have the energy to go out that night even if they aren't already out
  • they can't get a babysitter / parent sitter / whoever else they might be caring for sitter
  • They are skint / saving for something and can't justify this treat at that time
StrawberryFire · 31/08/2024 22:43

Comedycook · 24/08/2024 11:36

I'd like more friends but I could never in a million years send someone a message asking if they want to meet for a coffee or lunch....hence why any new friendships have fallen by the wayside pretty quickly. I'm terrified I'll ask someone to meet up and they'll say no

I'd love it if someone asked me for coffee. Are you Yorkshire? If so I'd meet you for a coffee

fairylights82 · 31/08/2024 22:47

i don't have any friends. I'm completely ok with it though. Spending time with my loved ones is enough for me.

WithIcePlease · 31/08/2024 22:57

NotOnlyFedUpButAlso · 29/08/2024 12:10

I thought the definition of a true friend was someone who you could turn to when you were in dire need and they would help you without question, regardless of where or when. A lot of people I know say they have endless friends but in reality they have met them maybe only once. They are just casual acquaintances.

On that basis I have no friends. It doesn't bother me.

Interesting re definition of a true friend. That's what I would have said.

However, listening to a Diary of a CEO podcast recently on friendship which wasn't as helpful as I had hoped, the guest said that actually a true friend is someone you can call up with great news and they'll be genuinely pleased for you.

That feels an even higher bar if I'm honest.

Newstarts1 · 31/08/2024 23:15

the guest said that actually a true friend is someone you can call up with great news and they'll be genuinely pleased for you

This is such an important element of friendships for me. It’s a non negotiable.

I had a few old friends who used to love listening to any issues I had and while I thought they were empathetic now I see it actually just made them feel better to see me struggling.

A few years ago I had a lot of good things happen over a 1-2 year period and I was so proud of what I was achieving. Each time I shared a new piece of news with them they were so cold. I was so confused because I’d celebrated along with all their bits of good news for 10+ years but now they seemed to be begrudging some good fortune coming my way?

One rolled her eyes at me when I told her how I was enjoying my new job (that she told me not to bother applying for as I wouldn’t get it ) and another abruptly stopped chatting to me on WhatsApp when I shared the achievement of a lifelong dream during a chat conversation . She had been relying within seconds up to that point then she just went silent. That was a real gut punch when I saw the two blue ticks then absolute silence . She didn’t reply at all for 3 months and even when she did she didn’t say congratulations.

It says a lot about people who have so much and yet still can’t celebrate their friends good news.

ineedafairygodmother · 31/08/2024 23:33

I have 3 close friends who I could phone at any time and tell anything to but they are all in different parts of the world so actually meeting up with them is quite difficult. Then I have a couple of 'mum' friends who I see with the DC and a handful of 'mum' acquaintances who I speak to and see in larger group gatherings but wouldn't necessarily arrange to met up individually with

Comedycook · 01/09/2024 07:50

StrawberryFire · 31/08/2024 22:43

I'd love it if someone asked me for coffee. Are you Yorkshire? If so I'd meet you for a coffee

Nowhere near Yorkshire I'm afraid....im in the south east

FinallyPregnant23 · 01/09/2024 07:57

I’m from Yorkshire @StrawberryFire , South Yorkshire, I’d love to go for a coffee with you if you’re nearby?

Viewsaremyown · 01/09/2024 08:24

theleafandnotthetree · 23/08/2024 21:24

I don't agree at all - I have one close childhood friend and a few others I see very occasionally but most of my friends I have made in my 30s and 40s and now 50s. These have been made through work, children's friends parents, book club, volunteering, etc. I think you are never too old to make friends and I find it quite exciting to think there may be people that will be important to me in the future that I haven't yet met!

Love this! I’ve been reading this thread with fascination that so many of us are in similar situations. Over the years I’ve struggled with a strange mixture of being a party animal and with (quite severe) social anxiety in groups where I wasn’t familiar/didn’t feel comfortable. I think having kids, therapy, growing up and doing some work on my relationship with the world has made me much more accepting.

@theleafandnotthetree this idea of being excited for all the friends I haven’t met yet would have been helpful years ago but I think I, and many of the other posters on here, should totally embrace this!

Thepeopleversuswork · 01/09/2024 08:37

fairylights82 · 31/08/2024 22:47

i don't have any friends. I'm completely ok with it though. Spending time with my loved ones is enough for me.

But what if your loved ones stop being your loved ones? Does it not scare you to have all your eggs invested in a single basket?

Wordsmithery · 01/09/2024 09:09

Just wanted to say a bit about the misunderstood introvert...

There's a difference between being an introvert and being socially anxious, in my mind at least. Although you can be both things, they don't necessarily have to go together.

I'm an introvert but I do have quite a few friends. I can't do small talk and I prefer one to one contact to groups. Conversations with the right person energise me enormously. I function particularly poorly in groups of more than six people, even if I know them well.

Up to 40% of people are introverts. There are lots of defining features, if you like, but for me the standout one is the fact that introverts recharge alone.

I have read lots about the introvert mind, and what we can bring to teams at work. I now understand myself much better and realise that while being an introvert brings challenges socially, it also brings real strengths.