Two fatal dog attacks in 48 hours

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There have been two fatal dog attacks within 48 hours:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80egr50vmmo

"Police are urgently hunting two dogs they believe were involved in killing a man found dead outside a home in Birmingham.

The man, aged 33, was found dead in the back garden of a home in Rubery on Wednesday.

Police said two dogs had been seized but they were hunting two more American bulldog types."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyn4yxm7jko

A man who tried to fight off an XL bully with a broom as it mauled his friend to death has said the dog "just turned on him".

David Daintree died after his pet attacked him at his home on Ashley Court in Accrington, Lancashire, at about 21:30 BST on Tuesday.

I think it's time for a cull of Bully XLs and similar breeds.

AIBU?

We are hearing about these attacks what seems like daily and I’m sure there must be loads of non fatal attacks going on that the owners keep quiet. I agree they all need to go. Certainly the muzzle needs to be extended to other dog breeds, I also think there should be a limit to number of dogs in a household and strict rules about which dog breeds are allowed in households with children.

Honestly
Dog attacks are getting more and more frequent.
I've a friend that gets so offended when stories like this come out. She defends the animal to the hilt.

I am probably going to get shot down in flames for this as it's mumsnet, but XL bullies are not one of the things I worry about at 3am.

I know what you're saying, but defo to be added to a list.

Me neither but then I don’t live in an area where there are many of them. If I had to, say, go past one to get to school every day, or my kids played in a park where they were regularly walked, I might feel differently.

No thanks, my list is long enough as it us!

These can’t be happy pet dogs. Happy dogs don’t turn on their owners. There should be a cull, they’ll be gently put to sleep, know nothing of what is happening.
Sounds like this man had 4 dogs in his house, all fairly large? Hope no one else is hurt while the two are still loose.

Humans have a lot to answer for...
including the creation of a dog type/ breed that kills it's owner.

Bizarre, if you ask me.

I just want to give a big round of applause to all the wankers that bred/still breed or chose to own an XL bully/pitbull cross/other fatheaded pointless dog bred to rip people and animals to pieces.

You are singlehandedly going to ruin dog ownership for everyone, forever. Well done.

👏👏👏👏

i saw this article linked on Reddit - absolutely terrifying and a snapshot into the psyche of the people who breed, sell and own these dogs

Finding Kimbo – Bully Watch UK

Me neither, I see one occasionally when I walk my dog. She seems very sweet (have been seeing them since she was a pup) and is always on a short lead and muzzled since the law changed. I say hello to her and her owner and we crack on with our walks. Uneventful, as I imagine is the case for most XLs. I’d never own one or want to be in charge of one, but if their owners are complying with the rules whilst in public, it’s none of my business.

We hear about deaths as a result of mauling by these dogs. I imagine only local news features those who are injured as a result of attacks. Locally, a man was mauled by one and has life changing injuries. These figures should be included in the statistics.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5139321-xl-bully-ripped-off-another-dogs-legs?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

You may be interested in the thread I have posted above. I think we all need to step and do something about this now. What about starting a petition to get something done? Any ideas? I'm worried another child/ baby is going to get mauled again very soon. It is bad enough being an adult , however a baby or child has lower chance of surviving one of these attacks

I think maybe you would if a neighbour had one and rarely walked it, was out without a muzzle & you had young children living in proximity.
I understand what your saying , I have never liked them however I wasnt frantically worried about them and it didnt keep me up at night either , since seeing more and more of these in my area , in my local parks and near the schools / nurseries is a concern for me and other parents I know

A friend of mine said the injuries he's seen from these dogs are nothing like normal dog bites, even other large breeds like Huskies and Dobes don't bite like these dogs. He said they're more like ones he saw when he was overseas and witnessed a mule get mauled by a spotted hyena. A hyena. You know, fifth most powerful jaws in the mammalian world?

There is absolutely no reason for these awful creatures to exist, especially not in domestic settings.

To anyone who wants to do something about it, the problem - counter-intuitively - is that the Dangerous Dogs Act (which is where the concept of banned breeds is located) is actually not fit for purpose.

Banning breeds is a whack-a-mole approach, and actually does nothing to stop dangerous dogs being bred. It's reactive, whereas what's needed is something proactive.

The DDA needs to be repealed, and replaced with laws defining a proper breeding licence, along with proper inspections and enforcement that have teeth, with no exceptions for "accidental" litters. That solves every problem, including the ones that dog lovers have been screaming about for years - overcrowding in rescues, excess inbreeding, welfare etc, as well as safety. Also, define breeds by genetics rather than measuring their proportions.

Breeding a banned breed or line? Jail. Breeding without a licence? Jail.

Simples.

Powerful dogs with the potential to kill in the hands of fuckwits. Highly doubt the dog “just turned” there will have been many warning signs missed. There is really no need for dogs of this type to be bred at all but certain types of people will always wants to own “status” dogs and this is the end result.

there used to be the same level of panic about Rottweilers because it was the status dog of choice for knobs once upon a time. When was the last news story you heard about a Rottweiler mauling someone to death? It doesn’t happen as much because the irresponsible types have moved on to a new breed. Same with staffy’s and husky’s.

XL bullies are an abomination I agree but sadly if not these some other breed will be bastardised to satisfy those that want a dog with the potential power to kill.

Bully types have killed more people than Rottweilers ever did in only a handful of years, so either the dogs are inherently more deadly or they're much more popular.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

@TheBunyip - thanks for the article. I read about Killer Kimbo before, it's chilling.
I love dogs, but I believe XL Bullies need to be destroyed, no exceptions made.

For everyone saying there would be sings, no, not always.

These dogs go into a red rage between 9 and 24 months. A time, when most dogs settle from puppies into adulthood

It's a developmental stage. It's not very obvious, even for very experienced dog owners.

But surely it's everyone's business when these dogs are escaping over fences and killing people and other animals? After seeing the horrendous video of poor Ian price it totally changed my view on this breed and I do really think they should all be put to sleep. I'm an animal lover but these incidents aren't going to stop as long as these dogs are still around. Even the good natured ones can turn and if they do turn, you don't stand a chance if they choose to attack you.

See it wasn’t for me either until someone on my street got one. He walks it daily with a muzzle but the dog is huge, muscly and genuinely I worry about my children’s safety in the street. It’s now a daily worry, everytime they walk to the corner shop or to the school bus stop (one is in high school). I have 2 daughters who are both very slight, if that dog attacked them I have no doubt in my mind he’d kill them in seconds, I couldn’t give a shit what people think, the dogs need to be destroyed and out right banned. I hate that my neighbour got this dog.

But remember iT's ThE oWnEr NoT tHe BrEeD

it's frightening that we are still having to share spaces with these animals honestly.

I actually had a chat the other day with a friend of a friend who works in firearms in the police, and it was such a breath of fresh air compared to the usual discourse that comes up when XL bullies are mentioned (that they're nanny dogs, love kids, soft, owners deliberately make them aggressive, etc. etc.)

We were talking about them and I mentioned how so many people claim it's the owner not the breed and this person responded straight away with 'yeah, in this case with this dog it's the breed. They are specifically bred for qualities like gameness that mean they won't stop attacking even when fatally injured. It takes multiple rounds to get them to stop in the middle of a mauling. They can act fine for years and then snap, and are bred to not show any signs of aggression until they maul. I wouldn't ever allow my child near one'

How refreshing!

If my spouse and I come across one out and about we have an unspoken agreement that our kid goes straight on his shoulders, immediately, while we exit the area or find a place of safety. I've nearly done my back in before doing it when my kid got bigger and we were on our own, but it's necessary. I treat them like I would if we turned a corner and happened across a tiger on the loose.

It's at the point now when I see these stories where I just look to see whether they killed their owner or an innocent child/passerby. If it's their owner it's still sad, but they can't claim they didn't know what they were doing owning one at this point, the information has not been hidden about the attacks! It's much, much worse when they end up killing someone who didn't choose to be around them or a child whose parents lack basic parental protection instincts.

There's a thread on the BanPitBulls subreddit that is very upsetting, it is full of photos of owners with their beloved, cared for, dogs, cuddling them, posing with them, napping with them. The caption explains every last one of those people was killed by that dog in the image.

I don't really lie awake and worry about anything at 3am, but if I did XL Bullies would be one of them. You just never know when you will come across one with your child, and you can't prevent it happening. You can be just walking down the street, round a corner and there they are, in arms reach of your child, before you can do anything about it.

I genuinely don't think some people realise how dangerous they are. It's worth looking up graphic images of the victims after an attack if you don't believe it. The damage they do is unbelievable. Hanging out in a lounge with an XL Bully is akin to getting into a swimming pool with a hungry Great White Shark.

So because you don't worry about something and/or don't have reason to be awake at that time nobody else possibly can?

I'd feel exactly the same. * *