To think these riots are about anti-muslim feeling more than immigration....

[SaltAndVinegar2]

...and to wonder what the rioters actually think the solution is?

I mean there are plenty of Christian immigrants and no-one is attacking churches. Inner city churches are often mostly made up of ethnic minority and immigrant people

Just watched Ed Balls interview with Zarah Sultana.
ZS: "it's important to call out these riots for being islamophobic because mosques and muslims are being targetted"
EB: "do you agree we need to control immigration"
followed by constant interruption and not allowing her to actually say anything. He came across terribly. There have been 8000 complaints about this interview!

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/ed-balls-gmb-zarah-sultana-riots-b2591311.html

These rioters want to get rid of muslims whether British or immigrant - that is the unpalatable truth. It's not about immigrants in general at all, and only partly about the ones in the hotels. It's scarily reminiscent of what I've read about the early days of the 1930s in germany before Hitler came to power.

Yeah. They are off our streets for now, but not yet off our sites.

@OneBadKitty you might want to look at the magdalene laundries and the mother and baby homes for evil that was done in the name of Christianity.

I was having a break from all social media and was happy but some bad demon made me look here today.

I have no doubts there is specific prejudice against "Asians" i.e. Pakistani Muslims. Hindu, Sikhs etc. sometimes are getting caught in it as well. However, trying to "equalise" it with antisemitism is bonkers.

Hijabs are definitely a cultural practice. In most countries where islam is a majority religion hijabs are not obligatory.
I do not have a stake, and I don't know what is the solution, but....

Some of my family is muslim, they are practicing very niche school. They are minority whenever they go. They don't do hijabs and are worried when they see converts in their mosque covered. They are afraid of being dominated. For most people here they are probably raging racists. There is a long history of prosecution and discrimination though, so I guess being afraid that you will be pushed out of own space is legit.

Also, for those who never heard this narrative about other groups.
Farage, before he went for Pakistani Muslims, was hunting down "Eastern Europeans". He was disgusted by a thought that Romanian family might live next to him. Although, he seemed to be open for Pakistani and Indian migrants as they were the symbol of the past glory. He got rid of barbarians from the Eastern Europe, so he needed another group. It seems that now it's "brown muslims", we will see who next.

@winterrabbit you are missing something - the fact that you are fooling no-one.

We see you.

Quite. It would be nice to be able to visually stand up on line like the British did against the rioters last night, and make it clear certain views are very very much in the minority.

Anyway, maybe people can watch this
https://x.com/GMB/status/1821435706809462918/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1821435706809462918&currentTweetUser=GMB

A lot of Muslims in France have an issue with France being a secular country.

@brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr , that is first class whataboutery! Bravo. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

I don’t think we should be generating revenue for Elon!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/gmb-host-speechless-former-far-33419428&ved=2ahUKEwjdquvfwOWHAxVF0wIHHU4yNeEQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw015LpNFjsjkkKGgxaSaM0J

You can probably get it from ITVX as well

I agree. But that's hardly surprising, as it’s happening all over social media right now.

I shall no longer use the term, I was not aware and apologise.

These stupid thuggish protestors have no interest or concerns about woman and girls being silenced they just hate brown people

Knowledge is to be used in discussions around religion without it leading to insults. That never ever happens when discussing Islam hence the comment you just made about silencing

My daughter cannot where a crucifix at school because it contravenes uniform regulations.

However Muslims where the hijab.

Can't we have a simple no religious symobism rule in appropriate schools. Simples.

Queue 'uman rights breach' responses.

They're just a bunch of uneducated racists. They have no idea who they're targeting, they don't care. They could be 2nd/3rd generation, born and bred in Great Britain or married to a Brit and have every right to be here. Funny how they aren't targeting all those white immigrants though.

I saw something on my old university Instagram story yesterday advising Muslim women who wear the hijab to wear magnet pins for their own safety. What a sad state of affairs.

Funny how they aren't targeting all those white immigrants though

Er Polish people have had yrs of abuse.

I saw something on my old university Instagram story yesterday advising Muslim women who wear the hijab to wear magnet pins for their own safety. What a sad state of affairs.

That is so sad 😔

And it’s so often women these bastards go after too.

Please provide links supporting your opinions.

I see you too Pandora, very clearly.

<a class="break-all" href="https://jacobin.com/2023/06/french-muslim-hijab-ban-laicitejacobin.com/2023/06/french-muslim-hijab-ban-laicite" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://jacobin.com/2023/06/french-muslim-hijab-ban-laicitejacobin.com/2023/06/french-muslim-hijab-ban-laicite

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/secularism-islam-france

www.voanews.com/a/france-s-secularism-increasingly-struggling-with-schools-integration/7625155.html

The link doesn't work.

Thank you. I will read them when I have more time.

jacobin.com/2023/06/french-muslim-hijab-ban-laicite

I'm not sure what that means. pandora comes across to me as anti-racist. Not sure what the issue is.

Yup. That's why I'm refraining to join in anymore of these " debates ". They're not coming from the right place or with the right intentions.

How about attacking a mosque at the first hint that a person was brown, an immigrant and therefore must be muslim.