To think the anti-immigrations have BEEN "heard"?

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I posted something like this on one of the riot threads but it ws locked soon after.

Is anyone else getting really bored of people justifying racism, terror, violence and destruction by insisting how important it is that those who imagine asylum seekers are responsible for the country's problem are "heard".

Little reminder: It's exactly that particular obsession that led to the Brexit referendum in 2016, and the most radical - and destructive - political change of recent times.

There were several years in which the country barely discussed anything else. Farage and Johnson got to tell you in great detail how the reason you're poor is because of the black family down the road. And you got the choice of believing them, or not. You even got to make Johnson PM so he could "get Brexit done" and "level up" your community.

You've been taken for a ride. Asylum seekers rriving irregularly (via small boats etc) make up less than 5% of total immigration, which is coming down after peaking in 2022 (partly due to the Ukraine war, and other factors). Neither Tories nor Labour are going to radically reduce immigration because anyone having to ACTUALLY run the country can see that doing so will exacerbate the demographic time-bomb, reduce economic activity and decimate the NHS. You're poor because of 14 years of Conservative economic policy, not because of anyone's skin colour or passport.

Meanwhile: How many of us get to have a national referendum tailored around our favourite policy hobbyhorse? When is my referendum on industrial relations? On housing and land ownership? On the House of Lords? When do I get to be "heard"? Being heard doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you, or that you get to go out and beat up brown people because things aren't working out the way you imagined they would.

It's not that you haven't been heard. It's just that you were wrong.

Loose correlation doesn't equal causation either when it comes to levels of immigration and riots - the uk has summer of riots every so often

Successive governments brought immigrants in to fill in the gaps. They have been clear about the need they see.

Since brexit more of these have of course come from further afield , with less of a shared culture and more of an obvious viable difference so an easier target if you want to stir hate

I don't live in Spain or France so don't have an opinion. Sorry that was in response to the poster who asked what I think of ex pat communities in Spain and France.

I couldn't tell you, I haven't asked them.

I don't think I'm trying to spin anything? I just think you are making assumptions about immigration not being a priority for people and I'm not sure where you get the information from to say whether that's true or otherwise. I understood from polls before the election that immigration is now steadily rising through the pecking order of priorities..it was number 5 and I think it is now number 3. If the riots (which arent just confined to the north) are to be stopped it's probably not a good plan to dismiss concerns as not a priority. But luckily I'm not Keir Starmer to have to make that call!

Blair was right wing soft Tory

And he knew how popular the right to buy was - people hadn't had time to understand why it was a problem all they could see was easy money

and police are turning a blind eye on a daily basis to white grooming gangs and have done for years- that’s two tier policing but no one seems to give a shit when white people are involved do they

Here's one (he's at the protests not the riots - two different things).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H-S8H4FZWU8

We get information from facts

Fact - if immigration was the most important thing you should not vote left wing

Well said OP. great to see this post. Marking to read the thread later as starting work now.

The problem is that we now have a society where everyone thinks their personal view or feeling is valid, and must be taken notice of

This is what we have created and so people with views like this are included in that narrative and approach.

The reason checks haven't been done is because the previous government did not process these people - the checks are done during processing. The best way to check these people is to get on with processing them and deporting them asap if they're not supposed to be here.

Labour have said they intend to recruit more people to process applications and get immigrants/asylum seekers out of temporary housing.

@WillimNot

That's shocking.

If anything the male consultant was not following protocol towards you and not doing his job.

Yes the interpreters are another expense, would this happen in other European countries

Do you actually know how bad the conviction rate is for rape in this country?

Everyone is turning a blind eye to violence against women, regardless of the colour of the skin of the perpetrator.

It's so interested how things have changed. Labour used to represent the interests of the working class, particularly in the north (the Red Wall). The sort of people that might be rioting now. Now Labour represent a very different type of person.
Having said that, Conservatives have been in power for that last 14 years where most of the immigration has taken place...

I think we need to have a very grown up conversation about immigration. It’s not correct to say “all immigrants are putting pressure on housing and other services, don’t integrate and don’t share British values”.

Most do. I don’t think anyone reasonable in this country wants them stopped coming here, working and contributing.

I’ve been an immigrant in 4 other countries. I had to have a job to go to, a sponsor. I was never allowed to claim any benefits. If I broke the law, I’d be out the door.

There are people here who have set up their own enclaves, don’t speak English, don’t integrate, have committed crimes, hold protests full of vile hate speech against people living in this country and think they are above our laws. What’s even worse is they’ve not allowed their own children to integrate, causing a 3rd culture that are disenfranchised from the rest of us which is not the white population, but those who are living together in communities and rubbing along nicely.

This has happened because we didn’t enforce any boundaries with people who’ve moved here, whereas other countries would instantly retract the right to live there if they broke the law or they had no job.

I don’t know why we just can’t be honest. People don’t have a problem with immigration as a whole. No one is prepared to admit that immigration from some countries in the world has not worked and in fact resulted in what is now turning out to be race riots.

So is that the fault of black and brown people? Why don’t they go and demonstrate where the actual decisions are made? They won’t do that, because they are cowards and would prefer to terrorise innocent people.

Immigration legislation decisions are not made at the door of a mosque or on the doorstep of a Somali shop owner whose shop was burned down in Northern Ireland. The ‘pro riot’ responses are all the same. They go along the lines of ‘I don’t agree with riots…. But…’. There is no but, these rioters are not patriots they are racist domestic terrorists.

Well said OP - completely agree. I’m also very sceptical about the so called two tier policing given the regular findings of institutional racism- but hey it’s a catchy slogan…

The UK has a right to preserve its own culture, though. Some degree of multiculturalism is nice and bebeficial but there comes a pont where large areas of towns and cities are dominated by imported cultures, some of which have values in direct opposition to British values. I would argue that people in favour of unrestricted immigration have never lived in or near the areas most affected by it.

💯 spot on

Where do you stand on brits that do the same in France/Spain?

When you moved abroad 4 times, did you learn the language fluently, live among local people, fully assimilate into the local area?

If immigration was treated the same as a job interview then there would be far less issues like this. For example the interview goes " what can you offer us?" Person then states their skills. Do you think you would be a " good fit in the team?" As in sharing the same ethics. . That sort of thing. No matter what country you come from or colour of your skin.

How many other worldwide countries would let British people just rock up and provide housing and food allowance? As an example I am thinking about retiring in Thailand. I can't just show up there and gain anything from the Thai govt. Have to get visa proving income/ capital, but health insurance and register at the immigration office every 90 days. New Zealand is difficult to emigrate to full stop. There you and your kids are checked for health issues so you are less likely to be a drain on their health system. And the USA don't want anyone unless they can make them lots of money.

@Bumpitybumper

'I disagree.

I think for too long genuine and legitimate concerns about immigration have been ignored and viewed as racist. '

Really?

The Tories spent their time in power blaming immigrants and asylum seekers for everything and they gave us the nonsensical Rwanda scheme just to grab headlines from the right wing press.

Also 'genuine and legitimate concerns': people looting shops, attacking the police and setting fire to hotels and trying to block doors so people can't escape is nothing but criminal activity.

You can express your concern by voting and protesting peacefully.

The Tories and Reform did not win the election with their anti-immigrant rhetoric. So these views do not represent what the majority of people think in this country.

I'm not missing the point at all. You seem to be obsessed with "Asian Gangs", and I'm focused on ALL grooming gangs. If you think White men are not getting away with this, you are seriously deluded.

Two-tier policing is not new; Black and Brown people have been the victims of it for decades.

Well then imagine where that £43 million could've gone if it hadn't gone on interpreters?

I would rather my tax be spent on helping kids from backgrounds who desperately want to attend uni and study to be a doctor or nurse, or teacher to be helped to do so. The reason I am not a Teacher as I wanted to be is because my parents couldn't afford to send me to uni. My year group was the first to be effected by Blair and his tuition fees nonsense and we didn't qualify for help. My dad earned over the threshold.

If we invested in people who want to have careers we could do much more to plug the gap in workforces we need. We would give people hope out of poverty wages or benefits.

Even those who do manage to go to uni end up in huge debt. To me that is ridiculous.

Well then why can we not have a system like Australia. You apply on a skills list and have to show you have funds to support yourself. No skills, no entry.

And it's not just Australia is it? Why are we seen sas dreadful for wanting the same system as others have had for decades?