The Home Secretary is not telling the truth about rioters 'paying the price' ...

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as it will be the choice of a jury whether or not the accused is found guilty. She is being a very dishonest politician pretending it is her choice.

There could be a significant situation as in the statue of Edward Colston case, that if sufficient people in a jury agree with the underlying motivations the jury may use jury equity to find the accused not guilty.

Given the purported motivation of failed immigration policy is a political issue for a significant proportion of the population, this is an unlikely be possible outcome.

YABU = The Home Secretary is right, they will pay the price.
YANBU = The Home Secretary should be honest as that choice is for a jury.

If jury finds them not guilty then there is n.o price to pay.

Lots of them will not end up in front of a jury.

Some may be tried in a magistrates court for lesser offences.

Lmao yes smashing up a Greggs and burning down a citizens advice bureau is clearly an appropriate and measured response.

Damn right they should all pay the price, every single one of them.

You think people who are frustrated by immigration policy think the rioters are justified?

The first thing that the government did when it came to power was say that sentances should be cut by 40% or 50% as prisons have run out of capacity.
Even if many are convicted where will they be sentanced as our prisons are over capacity.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c047dkjgpxyo

They’ll release some early to get these racist dickheads behind bars.

Prosecutors are sitting all night.

If they get the same judge as the just stop oil protesters, they won't be allowed to make the case for underlying motivation. I hope they do and they get similarly excessive sentences. We don't want a two tier justice system after all.

The Government have said this morning that the prisons have the capacity for all who need it. They also said those rioting will pay the price.

To be honest the Government are pissing me off now. They are all, oh stop doing that or there will be consequences. The Government need to start supporting the very overwhelmed police and do something. Can they not bring in night curfews and the army?

Keir is looking weaker by the day in my opinion.

Then just watch what the response is to the next ignored riots in Manchester and the Midlands. I'm disgusted by the riots, it's damaged our city immensely, but they shouldn't make promises that won't apply to every group of those involved in civil unrest.

She is not being dishonest

If you at all

She is reassuring people that those who break the law will be prosecuted

She hasn't decided who is guilty of innocent

The question itself is just really …off? The Home Secretary isn’t “lying” or telling thevtruth. What are you, four years old? The HS is expressing the government’s intention to carry through with penalties insofar as possible. She isn’t specifiying but you can assume it will be somewhere between execution and a slap on the wrist. She also doesn’t have to say specifically what she means because its not under her control.

And yes I know there is no more capital punishment in the UK but I’m afraid the OP is so unused to hyperbole and political speech that I will get a lecture on it.

@Bluebellsinthewind night curfew in city centers? Can you imagine what that will cost in lost business/wages etc. No they can't use the Army when it suits. What city do you pick? That's how you lose support.

So, courts can sit all night for this, but women who have been raped have to wait up to 8 years for their case to come to court, as reported on BBC Breakfast yesterday morning.

Shows where the new government's priorities lie.

Ah, politicians always say what politicians always say. Any country, any party, some things are eternal! Lots of people always get away with stuff in reality. We all know this already.

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They’ll go in front of magistrates. In my experience magistrates are a worthy combination of independence, fair-mindedness but righteous bastardy when they have a proven scrote in court.

The disgraceful backlog prosecuting rapes was inherited from the previous government. Labour will have been in power one month tomorrow; the problem got steadily worse over 14 years of Tory governance.

I share your concern on the issue but I think the new Home Secretary is with us. Let’s give them a chance.

This is the last governments fault though.

My understanding was that Yvette Cooper in the 4 weeks as Home Secretary has announced a series of steps to address the failings in the previous governments asylum and immigrations policies.
For example scrapping sending people to Rwanda and accelerating the processing of asylum applications which had ground to halt under the previous government, leading to great expense of keeping asylum seekers in hotels for months if not years.
Why would getting on with dealing with the situation cause people to riot? What am I missing/

The punishment if found guilty is largely in their control, as they can control the sentencing guidelines - but given around 15% of the population voted reform, it's quite possible to be a violent thug on the streets but a jury unwilling to convict.

I realise she making a point, but why not just be honest? I also do find it strange they can investigate and charge these potential crimes the same day, but Manchester airport police need a lengthy investigation, and so many crimes affecting people all year round do not get much attention at all.

Anyway, my point was that the population decides whether a price will be paid, and once you have 15-25% having some sympathy with the motivation, but not the tactics - governments can struggle to get convictions in a proportion of cases. Has been a driving force of reform for hundreds of years.

@Ponoka7 yeah, me and dh were just discussing those points. The logistics and money would be a nightmare.

There definitely needs to be a hard line on this. How long will these riots last? What will make it stop? How far could these muppets escalate things?

I also think the PM should do an address to the nation. Rather than snippets in the news.

Yes - magistrates were appropriately tough in 2011. A few folks who got carried away and joined in regretted it pretty quickly. If my memory serves me right, someone got a conviction that ended their career.

I’m particularly concerned about children being there. If social services weren’t so overstretched, families taking children on something that they know is going to end up in violence should receive their attention.

I do not condone the violence and destruction at all so there needs to be a very
strong deterrent. By the same token, non- British people who walk around with weapons clearly on display must be treated in exactly the same way, not just gently asked to put their weapon down.
Peaceful protests must be allowed to continue. They represent the view of the majority who are fed up of financing unchecked immigration whilst watching public services for ourselves deteriorate every day.

This isnt the view of the majority.

If it was Reform would have won the election.

There's a huge difference between pulling an old statue down and violently attacking minorities and the police and looting vaping/mobile shops and Greggs.

Your are being naively fanciful. A significant portion of the population being extremist thugs and gleeful support rioters excuses nothing. There might be one or two racists on a jury that agree with you and approve the violence - but that's all you get.