The Home Secretary is not telling the truth about rioters 'paying the price' ...

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as it will be the choice of a jury whether or not the accused is found guilty. She is being a very dishonest politician pretending it is her choice.

There could be a significant situation as in the statue of Edward Colston case, that if sufficient people in a jury agree with the underlying motivations the jury may use jury equity to find the accused not guilty.

Given the purported motivation of failed immigration policy is a political issue for a significant proportion of the population, this is an unlikely be possible outcome.

YABU = The Home Secretary is right, they will pay the price.
YANBU = The Home Secretary should be honest as that choice is for a jury.

So, according to you, I have to campaign about anything and everything I might have an opinion on?

Oh dear. I guess this is proof, if any were needed, that Labour voters don't have the first clue about what's going on in the real world.

Therein lies the problem...

I am concerned that you seem to think you know how I voted in a secret ballot.

Looting is a different crime from theft. There needs to be a much more severe deterrent consequence than a single person taking something. Online rabble rousing needs more severe consequences in the same way. Hope the OP gets their come uppance

I had that conversation over the weekend- they said our voting system was rigged, I reminded them they'd voted for it in 2012.

Don't know how you voted and not sure I care. Just going by the 'lefty' tone of your comments...

You're trying / failing to twist things. Cooper is not pretending it's her choice, she's saying the accused will face criminal prosecution. That is the price the thugs will pay. And I expect most of them will be found guilty, as it's not worth prosecuting without good evidence against the accused.

We are supposed t have an independent judiciary in this country so, no, the Home Secretary shouldn’t be using the sort of language she and the PM are using. They think it makes them sound tough but in fact it simply makes them sound ignorant.

What sort of language do you think they should use? I imagine the vast majority of the country wants them to come down on this hard. It’s called leadership.

I do not know how many judges and magistrates you know, but all those that I know are very capable of being independent minded.

Edited to add. But also appreciate a government that supports the important work they do, rather than attacking them.

Sorry I don’t understand your point. What I said was that it was not for the PM and HS to prejudge anything but to leave it to independent courts. Don’t you agree?

They're not prejudging anything, they are leaving it to the courts.

Politicians are well within their rights to make the statements Starmer and Cooper have, as former home secretaries and PMs have before them.

Time will tell. When you have nonces with thousands of imagines of kids getting suspended sentences, I have my doubts.

What they should be saying is rioters will be dealt with to the full extent of the law.
what they are saying is you will be arrested, you will be remannded in custody and you will be c

convicted. Can’t you see the difference between the two.
Sorry about the break posted too soon.

Um, I think it’s implicit that the conviction follows guilty plea or trial.

If an accused convinces the magistrate or jury that the stones they were carrying were only for their new rockery or that it was a complete fluke that the matches they were carrying spontaneously combusted and set light to a parked car as they innocently walked past, they’ll get off.

That seems like a reasonable message to send to people involved in crime

They're not prejudging any particular case. They are just stating a fact - the guilty will be penalised. Honestly, you're not making sense. And I suspect if Boris Johnson had said the same thing in these circumstances, you'd be fawning all over the lazy toff.

If you actually listened to what they said and didn’t try to interpret what you thought they meant you would realise they didn’t say what you thought they said. And what on earth has Boris got to do with anything. He isn’t even an MP.