The Home Secretary is not telling the truth about rioters 'paying the price' ...

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as it will be the choice of a jury whether or not the accused is found guilty. She is being a very dishonest politician pretending it is her choice.

There could be a significant situation as in the statue of Edward Colston case, that if sufficient people in a jury agree with the underlying motivations the jury may use jury equity to find the accused not guilty.

Given the purported motivation of failed immigration policy is a political issue for a significant proportion of the population, this is an unlikely be possible outcome.

YABU = The Home Secretary is right, they will pay the price.
YANBU = The Home Secretary should be honest as that choice is for a jury.

I am very pleased that Labour supporters take a hard line with sentencing these awful thugs and thieves. I couldn’t agree more.

It would be nice, though, if left-wing opinion was a bit more consistent in how it both regards the police and regards criminal justice and sentencing.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug/17/england-riots-harsh-sentences-justified

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14553330.amp

I've seen reports of people being given 5 years for taking a £3.49 case of water from lidl

If you mean that people have got 5 years for stealing during these riots, then good.

@Rummly yes those were the sentences given out during the aftermath of 2011 - not sure it's 100% appropriate but it shows just how tough they will be on these lot

You are talking nonsense.Those involved in no way represent ordinary British folk who will be sitting on a jury. People have the right to protest but not to hospitalise police officers and

A more robust response from the police is justified, and would definitely be a deterrent. I fear they are just too scared of upsetting these morons.

During the miners strke (which actually was a legitimate political protest) the police baton charged the miners to breach picket lines.

I can see no reason why the should not make free use of their batons with racist dickheds looting shops.

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Not so brave now are they; Tears of 'rioters' as they are hauled before court: Sobbing 'thug' denies threatening woman, protester who pushed wheelie bin at cops says she has 'mental health issues' - From Mail Online

I know people who voted reform .. I'm not happy about their choice.. however I simply can not imagine any of them condoning attempted murder or arson or attacking a police officer to name bit a few of the possible charges

Most of them are disillusioned Tory types casting a protest vote. I realise that not all Reform voters fit into that category though

Methinks the OP is connected to a rioter or has been spreading misinformation online. They’ve now realised they or their significant other is likely to be caught and are hoping for some level of reassurance that at best they will be given a slap on the wrist.

Won’t happen. We learned from David Cameron in 2011 that when a PM has been internationally embarrassed, they will ensure resources are found to find perpetrators and give them maximum sentences. This is why someone who stole ONE bottle of water and another who stole ONE pair of jeans ended up with significant jail sentences. Others had their careers ruined. Some stupid teens who joined in for a laugh have criminal records which will ruin their futures.

Sorry OP but you and your significant other shouldn’t have allowed yourselves to be radicalised, or put the bottle and lines of coke down. Too late now. Expect a knock on the door sometime in the next few months once the rozzers have finished triangulating their data.

I don't think he looked 'strong' in the first place.

We all know he only became PM because he was the least worse of a VERY bad bunch!

Didn't Reform beat the Tories into 2nd place? So they were/are officially 'the opposition'. As I understand it, Reform only secured five seats because of the FPTP system. If we had proportional representation, the House of Commons would likely look very, VERY different!

I do think a lot of people are concerned about uncontrolled immigration.
That doesn't make them racist.
It makes them concerned about uncontrolled immigration.

He became PM because he turned round an unelectable party to one elected with a landslide in less than five years. This is a man who rules his party with a rod of iron. These rioters should be very afraid, he’s not going to allow them to threaten his premiership.

The government only has an impact on sentencing when they update sentencing guidelines. For public order offences these were last updated in 2020.

Many of those involved will not be charged with riot, but instead with violent disorder, the starting point for which could be a community order or 4 years in prison depending on the harm and culpability.

Riot has a starting point of 3-9years and can only be tried in a Crown Court.

Details here.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/news/item/new-sentencing-guidelines-for-public-order-offences-published/

Worth noting that a statutory aggravating factor is the offence was motivated by race or religion amongst others. Other aggravating factors that may be particularly relevant in the present situation for violent disorder include: being masked, incident occurring in a busy public area, throwing missiles, significant physical violence and being under the influence of drink or drugs.

I would suggest it is pretty clear in the sentencing guidelines that many will be looking at the higher end of the tariff for the offence they are found guilty of.

Fortunately in the UK (unlike some other countries) we do not have uncontrolled migration, so those people's fear are unfounded.

Additionally in the further interests of factual accuracy the Tories achieve 10% points more vote share than Reform.

Further it is very likely that many voters would have voted differently if the system was different.

@Jumpingthruhoops the UK recently had a referendum on changing the voting system from FPTP, may I ask did you campaign and vote for the proposed change?

Labour had an early release scheme when they were last in government (2007 -2010). This is a bit much -

The [Labour] government has paid £5.5m to prisoners released early, in part to compensate them for the cost of bed and board during the period in which they would have been incarcerated.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7975302.stm

This is a man who rules his party with a rod of iron.

Are you feeling OK?

Absolutely fine, thank you.

Did I campaign? No. Like the majority of this country I'd imagine.

That doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on the subject.

By uncontrolled, I don't mean legal/illegal necessarily. I'm talking about numbers. Which is a concern for a lot of people. Express that concern in any way and those people are immediately dubbed "far right' and 'racist'. Violence is NEVER the answer - but these people feel they haven't been listened to and are now, it seems, literally fighting to be heard.

It just seems to me a little odd to be complaining about the electoral system and then not to have involved yourself with campaigning to have it changed, particularly when there was a vote on exactly that subject.

What's odd about it? I have a busy life and don't have time. I can still have an opinion on it. What a thoroughly odd comment...

The only people that consistently raised issues about FPTP before the election were the Lib Dem's and the SNP. And atleast they've both stuck to that after the election.

Suddenly it's hot topic elsewhere 🙄

Voted YABU because looting and burning shops and hurting police is in no way comparable to throwing a statue in a river it is totally inexcusable

Is there appetite to send thugs convicted of riot to Rwanda?

I guess changing the voting system isn't that important to you then.

Clearly, my idea of running anything 'with a rod of iron' is WILDLY different to yours!
Run a country? I wouldn't trust Starmer to run a bath! 😂😂

You should really stop drinking that Kool Aid...