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Worried about low contact in-laws gate crashing hols, how do we leave without seeming bad guys

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Holidayworry1 · 31/07/2024 10:59

We are very low contact (lc) with dh parents.
He doesn't go over there and as a family we last went about maybe 4 or 5 Xmas es ago.

We have tried over the years to have a relationship, but unfortunately they don't change their behaviour. Small examples, getting moody, cross when anything was suggested to them eg, please check the car lock is on dd opens the door in motion.
Turn up and as they pull up dd is opening the door and mil lied and said it's because she pressed the release button inside. Even though it was clearly explained to them the lock is on the inside and it's a lever.

Potty training, ignoring requests not to change dd into a nappy, which they did as soon as she got there and in front of older dc who told us.

Not supervising properly around a deep pond, and on and on.
On top of this, all the small things as well they totally disregarded but mil speaking to me and dh in an unpleasant way.. They always seem to incredibly disappointed in him, never been respectful to him nor me.. Unfortunately my family is mostly deceased otherwise they wouldn't have seen us for dust.
They act superior and always try to tell us how to make our house nicer like theirs ( 6 bed 4 bath house in 2 acres south) how to get free trips through work don't pay ( of course not a family trip), mil rearranges our house, says things arnt in suitable places, and has cried over what she considers to be filth.
They also act like we are depriving our dc if a great childhood etc. And she constantly says in a horrid tone about all the extra lessons she paid for dh to have as if it's a massive deal for her.

Sorry if you have got this far, we are visiting dh family in another country and I'm concerned the in laws will turn up or already be there..
In the past when we went out for dh granny milestone bday, we made it clear we didn't want to go for the main meal but would visit after.

We arrived and they sprang out. They spoke about themselves as usual, mil did lots of crying and martyr behaviour. We did give them anther chance after this but quickly reverted to type.
Then they did say if dh wanted to visit relatives abroad they would go at alternatives times.. However I'm concerned they havant turned up at our door which they normal do when school finishes which makes me suspicious that they may spring out on us.We don't want to worry a granny whose nealry 100 with this or cause issues.

All this unpleasant stuff happened when dc much younger so when they see in laws they seem like sweet people standing on our door step.

How do we smoothly extract ourselves without upsetting old gran, without seeming like the bad guys and without bowing to fils pressure.
He gives me heart palpitations, makes me feel extremely nervous etc because he doesn't seem human. He asks me how I am but I feel like it's the terminator asking before shooting me.

It's our holiday and of course they may not turn up. We intended to stay with two different relatives but I think we could find last min accmd if necessary.

We can't afford to book alternatives now, but if our backs were to the wall I guess we would have too.
On the trip where they sprang out they took over everything, eg at a zoo we all said we fancied a donut (to each other), fil and mil started to take over and said they would get it dh pushed back and said no I will.. He eventually backed down and fil got something else entirely?

He's often done this. Looking back of course we shld have handed it back and got our donuts but when your in these situations they are fast moving and you don't what to cause a fuss.

Sorry this is a long ramble.

What do we say.

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YouveGotAFastCar · 31/07/2024 11:03

Why do they know when you're going? It sounds pretty certain that they'll ignore anything that you say to them, and they're very likely to turn up.

Unfortunately my family is mostly deceased otherwise they wouldn't have seen us for dust.

I'm also not sure why this makes a difference. Mine is the same, I'm the only one left alive, but we don't see DH's parents because they're knobs. Yours sound similar. DH last saw them in January and exchanges occasional text messages, MIL sends emotional-blackmail messages every month or so to no reply, me and DS haven't seen them in two years.

It blows my mind that you leave your children with them. Have you convinced yourself that some family is better than no family at all, however they treat you?

SquirrelSoShiny · 31/07/2024 11:05

Ignore them? Give their wishes and desires less headspace? Grey rock or tinkly laughter. 'Oh FIL we don't want that bagel, we want a doughnut!' Tinkly laughter, get your doughnuts, enjoy them.

Stop being afraid of them. Have faith in yourself. Get therapy if necessary to teach you and your husband solid boundaries. And editing to say - this doesn't mean you have to be close to them, just not petrified of them.

Holidayworry1 · 31/07/2024 11:05

@YouveGotAFastCar

I'm so sorry sorry I should have made it much clearer.

We don't leave dc with them and haven't done for years and those are the reasons why.

We went as a family to an Xmas years and years ago and that was the last time I saw them.

The reason over the years why we tried again was because my family is deceased.

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Holidayworry1 · 31/07/2024 11:06

It's mils family they all talk regularly and visit regularly.

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YouveGotAFastCar · 31/07/2024 11:10

Holidayworry1 · 31/07/2024 11:06

It's mils family they all talk regularly and visit regularly.

I think it's pretty unlikely that you can go and not turn up, then.

Can you cancel the trip for now; and replan it for a stage when you can book separate accommodation a distance away, and hopefully make quiet plans for a lunch with Granny or something? Presumably Granny knows the situation...

But logically, removing all the emotion here, it's unrealistic that you can visit MIL's family without MIL knowing, or turning up. I'd prepare that she will be there, and make sure you've got a private, quiet retreat somewhere and can manage yourselves.

It sounds like a pretty awful idea if Granny won't keep it secret so MIL can't turn up, to be honest. It's not something I'd risk.

redskydarknight · 31/07/2024 11:10

I'm confused between you saying you are low contact and haven't seen them for 4 or 5 years but then you mention various things that happened - are these from more than 4 or 5 years ago?

The way to deal with toxic people is to set boundaries. If you know them turning up is possible, then plan how to deal with it in advance. That might be, for example, planning to make polite small talk for 5 minutes and then leave. Or to leave if they start taking over. Keep topics neutral and nod and smile a lot. Don't engage if they start trying to provoke you.

Sparkletastic · 31/07/2024 11:11

They sound like carbon copies of my ILs when the DCs were little. Stand up to them. It's the only way. If they turn up at granny's be polite and make neutral conversation. Don't get talked into lots of outings together.

Holidayworry1 · 31/07/2024 11:13

Re planning the trip or anything else is not on the table.

We are going it's what to do if they spring out at us.

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FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren · 31/07/2024 11:14

Learn to say no and mean it. Stop pandering to them, forget extraction smoothly and call them out. They are walking all over you quite simply because you let them for a quiet life.
No FIL, I don't want your alternative offering, I want a donut and that is what I am having. No MIL, we don't want to do that thank you, doesn't suit us at all but you feel free and we'll do our own thing and no , we don't want company.

stormstormystormstorm · 31/07/2024 11:14

Why are you even going? Is it really worth all this mental anguish? This is your holiday time!

I would be asking DH to state clear boundaries with them. You need to be forthright and tackle the bull by the horns, not simpering in the corner and wondering.

I have toxic IL and I was quite happy to state very early on whatever DH does with his family is up to him, but our DC are to be nowhere near SIL under any circumstances for example, and when we visit the UK, I take the DC to visit PIL for a couple of hours. Never ever unsupervised and I always arrange a meeting point so we don't have to go to their home.

It's been 15 years since I put my foot down (after many many many incidents where I remained quiet) and yes, they were all angry at first but it soon calmed down as they got on with their next drama.

Holidayworry1 · 31/07/2024 11:15

@redskydarknight.. Yes.
. I've got a novel in me of every thing they have done.

I'm trying to head off any posters who say, poor in laws, cruel poster, let them see their gc etc.

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Holidayworry1 · 31/07/2024 11:16

@stormstormystormstorm dh wants to see granny before she dies. She's the only one who really seems to love him.

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MzHz · 31/07/2024 11:17

@Holidayworry1 It's our holiday and of course they may not turn up. We intended to stay with two different relatives but I think we could find last min accmd if necessary.

This is what you need to do, you don't need to book it, but you could at least research a few options just in case. Always have a plan B as far as they are concerned

Or as PP have said, change the date, but I dare say it could be the family members passing on the info to MIL.

Holidayworry1 · 31/07/2024 11:19

@FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren thank you.

The time for that has passed as we definitely won't be doing any joint activities with them at all now. But if we did we would definitely push back.

However it's the optics to the dc now.
If they turn up I want a smooth extract plan so dc also don't see their mean parents beings horrid to in laws, mil weeping she is very good at making people feel sorry for her.

I want to turn it back on them as we leave.

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SquirrelSoShiny · 31/07/2024 11:19

Holidayworry1 · 31/07/2024 11:13

Re planning the trip or anything else is not on the table.

We are going it's what to do if they spring out at us.

Will they be holding knives? Guns?

If not, then you make polite conversation for ten minutes, kiss granny goodbye and go on with your day.

You have built overbearing parents in law into monsters. You are catastrophising. Your language is extreme. They have dented your confidence when you were a new mum with very young children but that's not who you are. You and your husband don't NEED their approval. Pretend their good opinion means no more to you both than the random people beside you in the supermarket queue.

Sparkletastic · 31/07/2024 11:19

You also need to address your inner monologue to help bring the panic down. They won't 'spring out at you' but they might be visiting granny when you are. FIL isn't a scary robot, he's just a bit of a bully etc. They think they know best and have little respect for boundaries. Just project cool calm confidence until it starts to feel real.

Deserthog · 31/07/2024 11:19

Absolutely book private accommodation. Then you can come and go as you wish.

Sparkletastic · 31/07/2024 11:20

Squirrel said it better!

SquirrelSoShiny · 31/07/2024 11:21

Sparkletastic · 31/07/2024 11:19

You also need to address your inner monologue to help bring the panic down. They won't 'spring out at you' but they might be visiting granny when you are. FIL isn't a scary robot, he's just a bit of a bully etc. They think they know best and have little respect for boundaries. Just project cool calm confidence until it starts to feel real.

Exactly.

Holidayworry1 · 31/07/2024 11:21

Squirrel no we don't need their approval but I don't want my dc to think less of us as we leave.

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SquirrelSoShiny · 31/07/2024 11:21

Sparkletastic · 31/07/2024 11:20

Squirrel said it better!

Actually I thought you said it better 😂👌

SquirrelSoShiny · 31/07/2024 11:23

Holidayworry1 · 31/07/2024 11:21

Squirrel no we don't need their approval but I don't want my dc to think less of us as we leave.

Why would they think less of you? What's the concern?

Holidayworry1 · 31/07/2024 11:24

I've met many bombastic tough people in my time. I am not a wuss.. I've never met anyone like fil, he's very controlled, cold, unemotional and has a way of speaking that you can't win with.
It's hard to explain but conversation doesn't happen in a normal way he sort of makes statements.

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redskydarknight · 31/07/2024 11:25

Holidayworry1 · 31/07/2024 11:19

@FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren thank you.

The time for that has passed as we definitely won't be doing any joint activities with them at all now. But if we did we would definitely push back.

However it's the optics to the dc now.
If they turn up I want a smooth extract plan so dc also don't see their mean parents beings horrid to in laws, mil weeping she is very good at making people feel sorry for her.

I want to turn it back on them as we leave.

If it gets heated you say "I think we need to all take some time to calm down. We'll take the DC's for walk/drive/to the playground". And then leave.

If MIL starts crying say "I can see you're getting upset, I think it's best we stop this discussion now." And leave.

Do not turn it back on them. That's just prolonging the discussion and giving them their reaction - which is what they are looking for.

How old are the DC? It's worth coming up with an age appropriate narrative to explain why you reacted as you did (if it comes to it).

Holidayworry1 · 31/07/2024 11:26

Squirrel in my post I've described why we don't see them but also explained this all happened when dc were young and didn't realise how badly behaved they were. So now all they see are sweet gp coming to the door every so often with mil piling on, I don't know what you like because I don't see you, etc.

We have explained why we don't see them etc but it's very different to have a real life situation with fil asking them for hugs and dh, and mil crying and so on.

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