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Huw Edwards

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Aquarius1234 · 31/07/2024 09:50

To think he shouldn't have been paid in full while off long term. As its more like being self employed.
But mainly cos it was 475k upwards of our TV licence money!
Another example is when a famous radio presenter s decide to go off for an extended break to film another show or something. Surely they don't get normal pay when they have extra weeks off not on air!!

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Qanat53 · 01/08/2024 20:05

BIossomtoes · 01/08/2024 17:12

Dylan Jones has said he has revised his opinions of Edwards since that lunch six years ago. There are plenty of weird, camp and contrary people in the world who lead exemplary lives.

My abiding memory of Edwards will always be the unscripted hours he spent
broadcasting the day of the Queen’s death. It was impeccable journalism at its finest, the tone was perfect for the occasion. That was as much his true self as his other behaviour. Human beings are complex and multi faceted. I feel desperately sorry for the victims here, for Edwards’ family and sad for that talented journalist who was betrayed by the baser side of himself.

Huw’s whole life is an act pretending to be a decent person - putting on an act for his family and BBC viewers. You fell for his phoney caring man Acting. He is an actor!

Acting a role of decent man so that he can continue his pedo life.

BIossomtoes · 01/08/2024 20:15

I was and am impressed by the quality of his journalism @Qanat53. That has absolutely nothing to do with his qualities as a human being. One of the worst failings of modern society is its inability to distinguish between the quality of someone’s work and their decency or otherwise as a human being.

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Thank you for proving my point so perfectly.

pyjamatimes · 01/08/2024 20:57

BIossomtoes · 01/08/2024 20:15

I was and am impressed by the quality of his journalism @Qanat53. That has absolutely nothing to do with his qualities as a human being. One of the worst failings of modern society is its inability to distinguish between the quality of someone’s work and their decency or otherwise as a human being.

This.

Craftycariad · 01/08/2024 21:06

Aquarius1234 · 31/07/2024 10:11

Loads of tiny companies could not afford to pay in full. That's life. Esp if your a trades person working for someone.

But they would have no choice but to pay in full if an employee is suspended and under investigation. You can not pre judge whoever you are. The rules are the same for any employed person as it should be

Runnerinthenight · 01/08/2024 21:12

Janiie · 01/08/2024 16:24

All this hiding in plain sight bollocks is annoying. If a GQ editor found him camp, weird and contrary surely his family and colleagues did too.

His dour News at Ten face was obviously not the real serious, apparently nice man we'd all been led to believe he was. Those who knew him don't seem very complimentary. Why on earth are some people acting so surprised? It seems it's only us, the paying viewers who have been kept in the dark about his unpleasant true self.

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You can't sack someone on the basis of being "camp, weird and contrary" though!!

AnnieSnap · 01/08/2024 21:12

It pain me that he was paid that much for so long and out of public money, but yes YABU. If people were fired in the face of unproven/unadmitted allegations, then Teachers etc would be out of their jobs left, right and centre. False allegations are made and suspension is appropriate until they are proven to be valid.

AnnieSnap · 01/08/2024 21:16

crumblingschools · 31/07/2024 10:22

At least he had the decency to plead guilty.

He’ll have done so to avoid all the horrible details of his grubby life coming out in a trial.

Runnerinthenight · 01/08/2024 21:18

BIossomtoes · 01/08/2024 17:12

Dylan Jones has said he has revised his opinions of Edwards since that lunch six years ago. There are plenty of weird, camp and contrary people in the world who lead exemplary lives.

My abiding memory of Edwards will always be the unscripted hours he spent
broadcasting the day of the Queen’s death. It was impeccable journalism at its finest, the tone was perfect for the occasion. That was as much his true self as his other behaviour. Human beings are complex and multi faceted. I feel desperately sorry for the victims here, for Edwards’ family and sad for that talented journalist who was betrayed by the baser side of himself.

I agree with this. It's such a shame and so disappointing that such a skilled presenter - and he was good! - would let this base side of himself take over and destroy everything that was positive in his life.

It taints the occasions he was on screen at 'big' events. He did so many big Royal events - he told us that the Queen was dead ffs! He had just the right tone, said all the right things. He was a master of his craft, whatever he was like as a person, rude or arrogant or whatever.

There is no excusing the depravity of his actions. That goes without saying. I don't think though that it's wrong to think it's a shame that someone so skilled in his career, who had talked us through many tragic, euphoric or terrible times, was hiding such a fatal flaw.

AnnieSnap · 01/08/2024 21:21

Aquarius1234 · 31/07/2024 10:49

They would still be paying him now if he didn't resign in April. Though dunno how that works. Maybe they are still paying him a year later.

I envisage that his resignation was the choice he was given. The alternative would have been dismissal. That’s usually how it goes.

Runnerinthenight · 01/08/2024 21:23

Janiie · 01/08/2024 19:22

'Lest we forget that Peter Sutcliffe was a great trucker too or that Dennis Nilsen was great at helping the unemployed find work.'

Ah yes, those lovely charming men. I bet Sutcliffe could've done a lovely commentary following the Queen’s death too. Such complex multifaceted folk! So sad that they were 'betrayed by the basest side of themslves' or some such twaddle.

Honestly how anyone can be Huw's desperate apologist is beyond me.

Nobody is being an apologist in any shape or form for HE. Not one person.

It's not unreasonable in deploring what he has done, to feel disappointed that he wasn't the person people thought he was. That someone who regularly appeared on our TV screens was nothing but a depraved bastard.

PreciousMahoney · 01/08/2024 21:25

AnnieSnap · 01/08/2024 21:12

It pain me that he was paid that much for so long and out of public money, but yes YABU. If people were fired in the face of unproven/unadmitted allegations, then Teachers etc would be out of their jobs left, right and centre. False allegations are made and suspension is appropriate until they are proven to be valid.

I totally understand the concept of full pay on suspension. Of course if someone is accused and found innocent they should not be penalised....innocent until proven guilty etc etc.

Buy where I'm coming from is until recently we didn't know he was guilty. He has since pleaded guilty and accepted full salary knowing he indeed WAS guilty.

Would there be some reasoning to him having to return a percentage? If he'd pleaded innocent and been found guilty it might be different but he's basically stalled for a year knowing he was accepting a salary, then poof! He's guilty!

He should pay a large chunk back.

SerafinasGoose · 01/08/2024 21:28

coxesorangepippin · 01/08/2024 17:43

Multi faceted?

He was whatsapping a pedophile in Wales for child abuse images - do we really give a shit about his coverage of the Queen's funeral??

Astonishing

No.

Then again, I didn't give a shit about the queen's funeral, either. The queen who used her own elevated position and fantasy magisterial status to protect, cover up for, and pay off the accuser of her repulsive son.

This is what a lifetime's over-privilege, over-entitlement and an inflated sense of your own grandiosity buys you. The belief that you are entitled to take precisely what you like and use other human beings as commodities. To hell with the cost to them.

A surfeit of privilege is certainly a thing Edwards and the late queen had in common.

Figmentofmyimagination · 01/08/2024 21:31

The pension is more interesting. Not sure he should be allowed to hold onto the employer contributions.

Runnerinthenight · 01/08/2024 21:32

PreciousMahoney · 01/08/2024 21:25

I totally understand the concept of full pay on suspension. Of course if someone is accused and found innocent they should not be penalised....innocent until proven guilty etc etc.

Buy where I'm coming from is until recently we didn't know he was guilty. He has since pleaded guilty and accepted full salary knowing he indeed WAS guilty.

Would there be some reasoning to him having to return a percentage? If he'd pleaded innocent and been found guilty it might be different but he's basically stalled for a year knowing he was accepting a salary, then poof! He's guilty!

He should pay a large chunk back.

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There's no mechanism in law for that. I'm aware of a case where someone was suspended and the evidence was pretty incontrovertible, from an employment law perspective. Individual was suspended on full pay for years pending the outcome of a criminal trial. The evidence was not sufficient for prosecution so we're left with this employee that in our heart of hearts we know is guilty as sin, but because the legal process has a different guilt to a disciplinary, it comes down to the employer to throw the book at them.

I don't believe the BBC could have legally sacked him when he was charged, because there was always the potential for a 'not guilty' verdict. The employer can't interfere with the legal process by doing their own investigation, not until after legal proceedings have concluded.

Plenty of employees accept full pay knowing they're guilty, because they can.

Runnerinthenight · 01/08/2024 21:33

SerafinasGoose · 01/08/2024 21:28

No.

Then again, I didn't give a shit about the queen's funeral, either. The queen who used her own elevated position and fantasy magisterial status to protect, cover up for, and pay off the accuser of her repulsive son.

This is what a lifetime's over-privilege, over-entitlement and an inflated sense of your own grandiosity buys you. The belief that you are entitled to take precisely what you like and use other human beings as commodities. To hell with the cost to them.

A surfeit of privilege is certainly a thing Edwards and the late queen had in common.

That is actually disgusting.

Runnerinthenight · 01/08/2024 21:34

Figmentofmyimagination · 01/08/2024 21:31

The pension is more interesting. Not sure he should be allowed to hold onto the employer contributions.

No mechanism in law for that either.

He worked for x amount, and received y amount in pension contributions. I'm not aware of any way they could take that from him.

SerafinasGoose · 01/08/2024 21:34

That is actually disgusting.

I could not agree more, @Runnerinthenight.

BIossomtoes · 01/08/2024 21:36

Figmentofmyimagination · 01/08/2024 21:31

The pension is more interesting. Not sure he should be allowed to hold onto the employer contributions.

The employer contribution is part of his employment contract. You can’t just play fast and loose with people’s terms and conditions and remuneration because you think they don’t deserve it.

Figmentofmyimagination · 01/08/2024 21:37

runner that’s not strictly correct as it’s a public sector pension.

www.pensionsage.com/pa/Convicted-rapist-and-ex-police-officer-stripped-of-pension.php

PreciousMahoney · 01/08/2024 21:37

Runnerinthenight · 01/08/2024 21:32

There's no mechanism in law for that. I'm aware of a case where someone was suspended and the evidence was pretty incontrovertible, from an employment law perspective. Individual was suspended on full pay for years pending the outcome of a criminal trial. The evidence was not sufficient for prosecution so we're left with this employee that in our heart of hearts we know is guilty as sin, but because the legal process has a different guilt to a disciplinary, it comes down to the employer to throw the book at them.

I don't believe the BBC could have legally sacked him when he was charged, because there was always the potential for a 'not guilty' verdict. The employer can't interfere with the legal process by doing their own investigation, not until after legal proceedings have concluded.

Plenty of employees accept full pay knowing they're guilty, because they can.

Yes that makes sense and i did work in that area so shouldn't even have raised the point!

It's of course unfair of him to accept it then plead guilty anyway but as you say in law it's pretty common.

And actually now I think of it I don't know why I'm mentioning dosh, as its a thin end of what he's actually done!

Runnerinthenight · 01/08/2024 21:43

SerafinasGoose · 01/08/2024 21:34

That is actually disgusting.

I could not agree more, @Runnerinthenight.

Oh I am absolutely not agreeing with your vicious little post. Quite the contrary.

The Queen gave up the life she would probably have rather lived, to duty for 70 years.

If you believed your son wasn't guilty and was being unfairly accused, wouldn't you support him? Or would you throw him to the kerb at the first sniff of anything controversial?

Do me a favour!

Runnerinthenight · 01/08/2024 21:44

Figmentofmyimagination · 01/08/2024 21:37

runner that’s not strictly correct as it’s a public sector pension.

www.pensionsage.com/pa/Convicted-rapist-and-ex-police-officer-stripped-of-pension.php

It seldom happens in practice though, and I can't see it happening here.

Aquarius1234 · 01/08/2024 21:46

BBC boss admits he knew Huw Edwards' arrest was over most serious level of child images.

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