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To feel shocked about this on a comedy programme?

178 replies

girlfriend44 · 18/07/2024 21:32

Regarding Butterflies the comedy series written by Carla Lane in the late 70s.

It's on I player at the moment. I watched an episode and she was talking to herself loudly about being bored, and feeling taken for granted in her marriage
She expressed quite loudly that she wanted to be raped.

Should a woman ever write that into a script or was it more acceptable to say that back then?
I cannot imagine it in a script today.

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cupcaske123 · 18/07/2024 21:35

It is shocking and I remember it. I doubt that's what Lane meant.

Bayleaftree63 · 18/07/2024 21:35

Times have changed. People are offended by everything now a days. Granted that sentence would be bad taste today, but it was the 70s!

girlfriend44 · 18/07/2024 21:38

Bayleaftree63 · 18/07/2024 21:35

Times have changed. People are offended by everything now a days. Granted that sentence would be bad taste today, but it was the 70s!

I'm not generally offended but I find a woman.saying she wants to be raped al ittle unsettling. A woman wrote it too.
Does it matter which year it was? Rape is a serious issue.

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BrightLightTonight · 18/07/2024 21:39

This was the 1970’s - don't try to apply the sensitivities of today’s world on back then.

I was born in 1960 - Butterfly’s was of its time. and programs like that made us stronger and enforced change.

FunIsland · 18/07/2024 21:39

This gets brought out every few years as an example of how shit the past was.

FloordrobeIsGoingToGetME · 18/07/2024 21:41

I didn't see it at the time, OP, but I've seen it on those 'only in the 70s/80s/90s' type shows, it's certainly featured on those 'can you believe this was 'ok'' type things.

I think it's awful. Really really awful.

I assume the meaning was 'I want to be consensually 'ravished' by someone I find attractive'.

But that's not what was said and it's pretty awful,

PassingStranger · 18/07/2024 21:41

Very poor writing imo. Wonder what Wendy Craig thinks.

Bayleaftree63 · 18/07/2024 21:42

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Bayleaftree63 · 18/07/2024 21:35

Times have changed. People are offended by everything now a days. Granted that sentence would be bad taste today, but it was the 70s!

I think a housewife gambolling in a cornfield, shrieking that she wants to be raped, is something very worthy of derision..

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cupcaske123 · 18/07/2024 21:46

FloordrobeIsGoingToGetME · 18/07/2024 21:44

I think a housewife gambolling in a cornfield, shrieking that she wants to be raped, is something very worthy of derision..

I would say that she meant ravished. Poor choice of words and I saw it first time round and it was shocking then.

KohlaParasaurus · 18/07/2024 21:46

I believe Wendy Craig herself has recently acknowledged that the wording of this part of the script is unacceptable nowadays. Realistically, it was probably unacceptable at the time it was written. I remember enough to know that in the 1970s we weren't using "rape" as a synonym for "sweep me off my feet and make joyful passionate love to me".

TheHuntSyndicate · 18/07/2024 21:47

I can remember a joke on family TV in the early 1970s about a woman going to the police station and saying she had been graped.

The policeman said, "Don't you mean 'raped' madam?

Woman. - "No, there was a bunch of them!"

It was just throwaway humour of that time.

Applying modern day standards of what is and isn't acceptable on things from the past is quite frankly, rather stupid and pointless.

LlynTegid · 18/07/2024 21:48

I think the BBC could have decided not to repeat this particular episode. Just as they should not have repeated the episode of the Tweenies where one character impersonated Jimmy Savile.

DidYerAye · 18/07/2024 21:48

But... devil's advocate... isn't her choice of words also intended as a reflection of the very, very sheltered life she's leading, in her suburban gilded cage? She has no idea of what the hideous reality of rape is; she's seeing it very much through a Rupert Campbell-Black/Jilly Cooper soft focus lens.

Runbunny · 18/07/2024 21:48

What is the actual line? I'm a child of the 70s and we watched that as a family! I don't think it was post watershed even?

We have reports of a flasher in woods near here and lots of women make "I should be so lucky" jokes about it, even now.

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FloordrobeIsGoingToGetME · 18/07/2024 21:51

@Bayleaftree63

Your posts are a little bizarre.

Why are you referencing parents? We're all adults here.

I wonder if your parents would be proud of you referencing rape as 'bad taste'?

@PelvicFloorClenchReminder could be

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MakeMeAirtight · 18/07/2024 21:52

Whether its appropriate or not, BBC should leave it in rather than cut it to pieces. It was of its time, like all the racial jokes in other 70s and 80s sitcoms.

girlfriend44 · 18/07/2024 21:52

TheHuntSyndicate · 18/07/2024 21:47

I can remember a joke on family TV in the early 1970s about a woman going to the police station and saying she had been graped.

The policeman said, "Don't you mean 'raped' madam?

Woman. - "No, there was a bunch of them!"

It was just throwaway humour of that time.

Applying modern day standards of what is and isn't acceptable on things from the past is quite frankly, rather stupid and pointless.

I don't think it's even been acceptable to joke about rape though has it?
I want to be raped is horrible.

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cupcaske123 · 18/07/2024 21:53

Runbunny · 18/07/2024 21:48

What is the actual line? I'm a child of the 70s and we watched that as a family! I don't think it was post watershed even?

We have reports of a flasher in woods near here and lots of women make "I should be so lucky" jokes about it, even now.

"I want to be raped."

stayathomer · 18/07/2024 21:53

Not quite the same but was watching an episode of modern family the other day and the son asked what Jäegermeister was and the dad said ‘um, you know in sleeping beauty where the princess is asleep and guys lune up to kiss her?’ I was so gutted and disgusted, and disappointed that my 16 yo laughed. Had to give another life lesson