To think the judge was right to throw the book at Just Stop Oil?

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Five Just Stop Oil activists, including leader & XR founder Roger Hallam have been sentenced to up to 5 years in jail for blocking the M25 & other main roads.
Their intention was to cause gridlock on roads in the South East. The disruption they caused resulted in people missing medical appointments, flights & business meetings.

Well done to that judge. The criminal justice system is right to pass serious sentences on these fanatics which will act as a strong deterrent to others who might try to cause mass disruption, and put people’s lives in danger, to further a political agenda, whatever it might be.

Well done for managing to answer neither question 😂

The planet will be fine. The wealthy will be fine. It's everyone else who will suffer.

Personally I don't think causing people to miss flights and businesses meetings is worthy of a jail sentence. I don't know of any specific deaths that occured because of their actions, but I know hundreds of thousands of people die every year because of climate change. Given the rate of deaths and injuries caused by driving cars, bringing traffic to a standstill for a couple of hours probably saved more lives than it harmed. I wish they had the resources to do things like that more often; if the chance of your journey being disrupted was high enough, more people would choose public transport over car journeys.

They've actually been jailed for CONSPIRING to block the road.

Having a conversation about it.

5 years prison, for that.

1. Everyone is already aware of climate change.
2. The headlines are not doing them any favours.
3. When people hate you they are unlikely to be converted to your cause.
4. The government doesn't care about this bunch of lunatics beyond making it more difficult for them to keep creating chaos.

Roger Hallam is a hypercritical arsehole.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/06/insulate-britain-leader-has-six-diesel-vehicles-dumped-on-his-farm-15372979/

it would be nice if all these institutions and people who claim to be so concerned about ‘climate change’ could campaign to stop the desecration of nature by said institutions.
My council is constantly mowing wild flowers, chopping down trees and building on playing fields yet bleats on about ‘climate change’.
no doubt you support destroying our greenbelt and prime farmland with Chinese manufactured non-recyclable solar panels for ‘net zero’.
It’s all a scam and nothing to do with saving nature.

Can anyone say how much oil they've "stopped" so far with their actions?

I mean, if there's a measureable difference then perhaps we can compare the cost of policing and "inconvenience" they're causing with what they've achieved?

5 years for peaceful protest is obscene.

Anyone praising this is very short sighted. You may not support this cause but what happens when you do want to protest something but peaceful protest has been outlawed.

As it goes, although I wouldn’t personally do what JSO has done (not least because I’m too much of a wimp), Ido think we’re in desperate times and their actions were proportionate.

We are not a major polluter they need to pull this shit in America China etc the ones that actually COULD make a difference the whole of great Britain could commit mass suicide to prevent further pollution and it wouldn't make a dot of difference

We are TINY we make no significant impact if you actually want to make an impact start big

Still not answering either question, remarkable!

No one is obliged to answer your questions. People can make points if they like. Welcome to a discussion forum.

Do you work from home?
Your attitude is very elitist, like all JSO protestors who somehow think that stopping working people earning a living is going to stop ‘climate change’.
You’d be better off saving trees and green fields from being destroyed by rapacious developers and politicians, but green washers don’t care about nature.

I think this is going to be the worst part of it for me.

People like the OP, and several other posters on this thread, will no doubt be outraged that food prices skyrocket or certain produce become unavailable over the next couple of decades, and you can bet your last packet of rice they'll be blaming everyone else for 'not acting sooner'.

I agree with@Beth216. In reality these so called climate activists are just good old fashioned anarchists. They brainwash their followers into thinking they really care about climate change. They don’t. Their only aim is to disrupt society. They deserve prison. I hope they serve the full sentences handed down to them but I doubt they will.

YABVU and so is the judge and so are all the people who blame the activists endlessly rather than dealing with the actual fucking problem

These people believe, with good scientific reason, that the world is on the cusp of burning itself and everyone of us living on it.

do you really think a five year jail sentence will deter them? If a group sincerely believes (with good reason) that the human race is in danger of totally destroying the planet, what do you think they are going to do? Worry about a business meeting?

Seems massively disproportionate when compared with sentences for crimes of violence, and bearing in mind the fact that we just don't have space in the prisons. I suspect this will be reduced on appeal.

destroying our prime farmland with Chinese manufactured non-recyclable solar farms for your ‘net zero’ religion will be what causes us to starve, not imprisoning JSO anti-nature loons.

No, I won't. I'll be dead, won't I?

The planet will be absolutely grand without humans. Positively thriving without our interference in evolution and the climate/environment. Lifeforms will adapt, evolve and survive with what's left behind by us until it's all gone, just as previous mass extinctions have led on to new epochs and biomes. Life always finds a way, always has and always will until the Sun decides to go Red Giant.

XR are just so provincial, so anthropocentric in their world view.

Miss flights and business meetings?!

How about getting to vital hospital and doctor's appointments, visiting family who may be on the brink of death. Single parents relying on getting to their shitty minimum wage job to keep a roof over their head and feed their kids. Prevented by the actions of the hypocritical privileged?

Roger Hallam has stated he would block an ambulance. It's not peaceful and it's not the way. Judges are also bound by the law and sentencing guidelines. They aren't going to say 'oh you know what, I completely agree with your cause so off you fuck despite repeatedly breaking the law' 🙄.

Personally I would have been ok with a massive fine and 5 years community service.

I think 5 years in jail for water bosses who pollute our waterways with shit is more appropriate.

They have successfully managed to alienate a lot of people who actively think we aren't doing enough.

Far from furthering their cause, they managed to undermine it.

Even the most pro-green people I know all say similar and how it wound them up and was totally counter productive.

If they want to make a point and get noticed they need to be smarter than this because they are only hurting their own objectives.

Absolutely. I remember how outraged MNetters were when people attending the vigil for Sarah Everard were arrested.

By praising this outcome, OP and others are essentially celebrating the beginning of an era where significant jail time could be imposed on anyone attending a similar event in the future.

The short-sightedness of parts of the British public is truly terrifying to behold.

I'm glad the judge was tough on them. Can't stand them, they cause so much disruption.

Not really, given we'll all be dead by then anyway 🤷