Nursery workers drinking at lunchtime.

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Had a rare day off yesterday so went for a pub lunch with my sister. In there I saw 2 nursery nurses from my child’s daycare having lunch and they each had a glass of wine. There were also 2 empty glasses in the table but possibly from previous customers. I wasn’t happy but my sister says it’s there lunchtime they don’t get paid for and 2 glasses won’t make any difference. They saw me and looked a bit sheepish but it means I can’t report them anon now. I’m scared if I say something they would treat my child differently. Am I being ott thinkinb they shouldn’t drink while caring for kids?

Exactly. What a breathtaking post. Imagine demanding this of a sector as hard working and badly paid as childcare.

Fuck me.

Nursery workers shouldn't drink if they are working or on their lunch break. Obviously.

However, on the basis of what OP has said, in which she has absolutely 0 evidence that the nursery workers were drinking on their lunch break (the two could have been on a half day, a day they don't work or an annual leave day, or a mixture of any of these), it is now being suggested those who work in Nurseries shouldn't be allowed to drink after their work has ended or at any point in their free time?

I'm actually surprised that poster hasn't suggested some sort of dormitory system in which nursery workers are brought in for their shifts and returned at the end. Perhaps they could wear caps and aprons and tug on their forelocks as their social betters drop off their children. With a half day off once a month on a Sunday.

Oh, we haven't returned to the days of being in service?

I would like some of you who do not agree with me what they consider to be OK as far as working with babies, children, and vulnerable adults goes?

I am not suggesting that the burden of proof be removed, and that they should not be given the opportunity to explain what they were drinking, just that it would be better if the workers were not seen near the nursery, they would not be criticised. If they were not drinking alcohol, they have not acted unprofessionally.

What worries me is that there is an attitude of mothers which takes the side of those in charge of babies and children rather than the babies and children. If staff are daft enough to go into a nearby pub are they suitable for looking after children?

Why, butwhataboutthebees do you think that 'all manner of nursery workers could now be in hot water' if you don't think there is anything wrong in staff drinking in a pub at lunch/after work?

You're either deliberately trying to get a rise out of people or you're genuinely radge.

'Daft enough' to go to a local pub after work?

Why would anyone in a caring profession choose to have lunch in a public house? That leaves them open to suspicion and it is so unnecessary. If they want a pub meal, there are plenty of pubs where they will not be recognised.

@llizzie why?

The public house (aka pub and are you the person who uses the term brassier abd not bra?), could be used, because

1. Its convenient
2. Its with in price range
3. They like the menu
4. One of them wants to shag the bar man and knew he was on duty, so was hoping to arrange a convenient time.
5. It's no one's fucking business where they drink and eat in which "public house" and their employer or nursery users do not own them.

HTH

Why would anyone in a caring profession choose to have lunch in a public house?

Because it's a perfectly normal thing for anybody to do. Have you actually been in a pub since the heyday of the Kray brothers? Or have you maybe got "public" mixed up with "bawdy" or "crack"?

I have no idea about 'brassier'. As far as I remember, I have never had occasion to mention the garment, either like that or in it's shortened form.

None of your reasons makes much sense to me, seeing as I have expressed an opinion that it is unwise for nursery workers to wash down their pub lunch with alcohol, especially in the public house next to their place of employment - a nursery. I would not send my children to a nursery next door to a pub anyway, because little ones grow up thinking it is quite normal.

Here's something to set your teeth on edge again: -

It reminds me of the 19/20th centuries when parents left children outside pubs while they drank inside. It was argued that children would think it acceptable and would just repeat what they see their parents do.

Nothing new there then, if adults don't mind the nursery nurses going into the pub (to relieve the tension?) what is it to do with me? Nothing. I gave my opinion based on the OP.

Is it my business? No, Why should it be? My children are grown from that stage. I can tell you though that if there was a pub next door to any of the nursery schools, I would not have enrolled my children there, so again, it would be no business of mine what the staff did. However, if I did send children to such a nursery, and I did see staff in a pub, whatever the time of day, I would report the matter and remove the children and send them somewhere else, no matter I had to stay off work while I found one.

Mothers have that choice. If they choose to take the side of staff and rationalise the reasons why they should not speak up, that is for them. I gave my opinion. I can do that. You differ. You can do that.

I hav*e no idea about 'brassier'. As far as I remember, I have never had occasion to mention the garment, either like that or in it's shortened form.

. I would not send my children to a nursery next door to a pub anyway, because little ones grow up thinking it is quite normal.

Here's something to set your teeth on* edge *

Is it my business? No, Why should it be? My children are grown from that stage. I can tell you though that if there was a pub next door to any of the nursery schools, I would not have enrolled my children there, so again, it would be no business of mine what the staff did. However, if I did send children to such a nursery, and I did see staff in a pub, whatever the time of day, I would report the matter and remove the children and send them somewhere else, no matter I had to stay off work while I found one.*

Peak Mumsnet!! What's the radius of the vicinity of the pub to nursery before you would send your children there? Two doors away, four doors away?

You've never used the term bra or brassier? What do you say you put your tits in then?

Bold fail!!

But you get my just @llizzie

Why would anyone in a caring profession choose to have lunch in a public house?

Because they're grown adults who can do what they please in their own time. HTH.

In response to your naive first paragraph, I find it amazing that people on here expect their child to receive better care from their paid minder that from those who chose to breed them!

Bluebirdover · Today 16:25
** why?

The public house (aka pub and are you the person who uses the term brassier abd not bra?), could be used, because...

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What do you mean by this please? As far as I can remember, I have not posted about the garment on this site. You are obviously trying to make a point: it just escapes me what it is.

I am impressed by the number of people who think that bad language and putting forward the case for supporting care workers seen drinking in pubs near their place of work will change my mind. It will not.

If you place your baby in someone else's care, do you expect them to have been trained? Do you look at their references? Does the nursery owner show you the references of the staff they employ? If they do not, do they instead vouch for them in writing? Ask yourselves all you who agree with the staff in the pub, if you would expect good references. Why do you expect them, since you excuse their behaviour outside of work? It might not be drinking in or out of hours: it could be shoplifting - or WORSE - if you get my drift.

What the responses to the OP have shown is that British education has failed to teach social history, and if you don't have knowledge of the past, how can you make life better?

Put it another way: HOW DO YOU CHOOSE A NURSERY PLACE FOR YOUR BABIES? Do you choose one that has empty places to fill? (rather like putting gran away in a residential home which is half empty and not asking why) Do you ask about the staff, their qualifications and where they were trained? Do you ask to see their qualifications, or just take the boss's word for it? Do you ask about ratio of staff to babies, bearing in mind it changes for age differences?

If you were well off and had the money to pay a nanny, where would you go to find one? Wouldn't your first thought be the best trained nannies? That would be very expensive, but you can be sure that such nannies and nursery nurses would NEVER discredit their training or their employers by being seen in compromising places. It is perfectly acceptable to enjoy yourself in your days off in the company of friends, including drinking alcohol outside working hours. Have I said otherwise? That is not the same as popping to the pub next door and having a lunch washed down with alcohol. If people responsible for the care of others want to drink, why flaunt themselves by choosing to be so close to their employment, if they want to ensure they get a good reference?

Ask yourselves all you who agree with the staff in the pub, if you would expect good references. Why do you expect them, since you excuse their behaviour outside of work? It might not be drinking in or out of hours: it could be shoplifting - or WORSE - if you get my drift.

Er, shoplifting is illegal. Drinking in a pub isn't. Don't you know this?

It might not be drinking in or out of hours: it could be shoplifting - or WORSE - if you get my drift.

Yep. Total radge.

Because nutters like you exist who think nursery workers are some kind of higher being who should be above us lowly mortals

To be honest no it’s not ok for people who are looking after others childrens on a professional level, to drink during working hours including lunch break come on why do you ask this and not report it! You think it was a one off really?? Nursery teachers work 5 days a week not often they have part time staff is it. So they would have been working if especially if they are always short staffed. They are looking after what possibly from 6 months to 5 years with a minimum of 1 nursery staff to every 13 children which is less the younger the child. And you think 2 glasses of wine at lunch time they are capable of doing that? And if they are short staffed they probably will be one teacher to 13 infants… why are you asking mums on the internet and not reporting your child if this is a regular thing with the staff is in their care so your own child and other children are at risk of being injured or emotionally neglected.. its not ok.. im disappointed you post and not report the y are not allowed to drink during working hours which includes their lunch break btw!

Nursery teachers work 5 days a week not often they have part time staff is it.

Nursery workers will work shifts and have annual leave. I mean really, you needed that explained? 🫠

The point is I think you're madly uptight and frankly quite weird.

YOU DON'T NEED TO CAPITALISE TO MAKE YOUR POINT!! THAT'S ANOTHER WEIRD ACTION!

most have their holidays when it runs in line with school holidays for 3-5 year olds… have you got kids who have went to nursery yet?

Yet you did that your self… ok need a wee break love?

Loads are part time..... what makes you say otherwise?

most nursery staff are full time do you have kids who have went to nursery yet?? 🤦‍♀️