To think if I need a body guard, I want a man

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Just from the footage of Trump's near assassination. Just made me think, if need a body guard, whose job it is to take a bullet for me, I want that bodyguard to be really, really big, so that his body is way bigger than mine, so it covers mine. Also seen other footage of bodyguards protecting people in a mob, and they only got their charge out because they were just so physically massive, they could force their way through.

Its a job where physical size and bulk matter. I'd just want a man, an unusually big and strong man, to do it.

Maybe we should be making an argument for smaller politicians rather than larger bodyguards. 5 foot nothing women for president! Easier to protect!

But he wasn't very successful as a bodyguard. The body he was guarding was killed.

Yawn. Now you are trying to pretend your post was not goady. Tiresome.

There you go - problem solved : ).

Yes but highly trained with size, in that situation, is surely better than highly trained but smaller and slimmer than you!

Its not size or training after all!

Bless your little cotton socks OP.

Think you may have watched one too many Hollywood movie!

A bodyguard is so much more than a huge piece of meat "taking the bullet" In fact, one could say if they do have to stand in harms way, the bodyguard has totally fucked up and not done their job correctly.

You do indeed show your complete and utter ignorance in your OP.

But you keep bad mouthing women to get the clicks!

But he has a dozen or more 'bodyguards', some very big, some less so maybe the woman is more tactical and problem solving, spotting potential dangers, etc. Maybe she wasn't meant to be front and centre but did what she needed at that moment. Perhaps Trump should have stayed down like he was told so she would have been taller than him.

You started the thread.
You just want to insult everyone.
You’re not engaging with any of the interesting questions/debates in any posts.
Another logical conclusion of your pointless thread is that Trump shouldn’t be allowed to be President.
It’s just all so pointless.
How did you want people to play with you? This is what you wanted when you started the thread.

OMG faux innocence and outrage.

I think it's worth noting that c90% of the time KJK is guarded, and guarded very well, by women at LWS events etc

In principle I agree with you, if you're looking at 'security' as being a strong, sizeable presence who can literally physically cover you, in the main those who fit that criteria will be men. But security is about more than that - speed, thinking ability, observational skills, firearms skills - and women are capable of all those things.

Regarding Trump, he did the one thing he shouldn't have done and stood up like a right lemon, waving his fist and all the security guards were struggling to cover him. He should've stayed down. I hope he's been advised against doing something that stupid again.

This actually made me laugh! You have to completely ignore the two real life examples I am talking about - one of them has been quite the news story - to make this point.
You also have to ignore my posts on this thread.

You keep on in your own one person echo chamber if you need to.

Trump doesn't have a bodyguard. He has an entire security team.

Most of their work is in analysing situations and locations and doing risk assessments and figuring out how things can be done most safely. All of this is detail oriented information processing work of the kind women (on average) perform better than men at (on average).

Also, a lot of work is in scanning the crowd and reading small facial, behavioural and body language indications that something might be amiss, which are then communicated to the rest of the team - also something women (on average) are better at.

So it's different questions. And although it might be last line of defence, actually the "meat shield" part of being in close protection is a very minor part of the skill set, because nobody wants being shot at to be part of their day job.

Given that, I'd rather someone who was good at the other 99% of their job, over someone physically massive but less good at ensuring that in fact the threat never got to that stage.

Dear Lord!

Here we go "men competing in woman's sports"

Just say what it is you actually trying to say.

Yes. But when KJK knew she was facing a really dangerous mob, she did not choose a female security team. And she very probably would have been crushed to death if she had.

Horses for courses.

Amazed that saying that is so controversial.

I am saying exactly what I am saying.

Let your paranoia or agenda read more in if you want, but that is on you, not me.

😃"Did you know he jumped out at Zoey? Gina Toscano put him into a wall?"

Well, you are saying size matters aren’t you? Just that men are, on average, bigger than women. I don’t think you’ve said anything which would preclude a tall, strong woman.

I wouldn't want anyone, male or female, putting themselves in the way of a bullet for me tbh. Imagine having to live with the thought that someone else died instead of you - not because they loved you and wanted to save you but because it was their job! The fact that you would only want a man to take on this role just demonstrates that maybe you consider men to be more disposable?

Rishi Sunak would have been covered by a slightly taller/broader woman than average. And I'm sure there are plenty of them working in security.

I think there would be a decent amount of work for women in security if the stipulation was you have to be bigger and taller than the person you are protecting.

I'm not sure what the original argument was. If it was that it always needs to be a man to cover a person then no obviously it doesn't. In the instance of Trump, it would have indeed needed to be a pretty huge man to cover him.

It's just case by case right?

I'd rather my life was in a woman's hands. They are so much more capable of multi-tasking, assessing risk, observing detail, listening to input fro others etc. Therefore more likely to thwart situations before they arose.

Also, because of the inherent discrimination women face, they will generally be better at their job than a man at the same level.

Theoretically yes, but I'm not a particularly big woman and I am not sure I can think of any women I have known who I would rather protect me in those specific situations I have talked about over a big guy. And I am quite active so I know quite a lot of exceptionally fit women. But they just don't have that bulk. Puberty just means that men fill out and broaden more than women do. And I can only think of a very small number of men I have known who would fit that brief.

This and I don't really see how people don't get this.

Even in this particular case - her size wasn't actually an issue. If the plan had been to have a group of bodyguards surrounding Trump at all times so that no possible bullet could get through, then yes absolutely she wasn't the right person for the job. However, that only comes into play once they have identified a shooter - at which point instructions are (as you can see happening) to get down. Unless you had a group of body guards who are actually a full head taller than Trump (so they are fully shielding Trump's whole body with just their shoulders and below) then Trump needed to get down - otherwise there would be gaps at the bodyguards' neck and head areas because, well, our necks and heads are narrower than our shoulders and chest no matter how much of a body builder someone is.

The woman's height only became a potential issue when Trump stood up again, exposing himself. I have no idea whether the security team had decided it was safe and so ok'd it (seems unlikely given how quickly he stood up again that they could have assessed no risk of a second shooter already) or if Trump ignored their instructions, but that's the issue here. Trump should not have stood up until he no longer needed the barrier protection. The woman's height should never have made the slightest bit of difference.

Plus I suspect Trump wouldn't have been that happy to be surrounded at all times by a group of bodyguards a head taller than him - kinda defeats the point of him being at the rally if no voters can actually see him!

They were moving him to the car, he shouldn't have done all the waving business sure, but when they were moving him he needed to get up off the floor and start walking. In situations like that you are obviously moving as fast as is safe to get to the safety of the car asap. You can't really be doing that if you are having to really crouch low as the body guard is substantially smaller than you. Size does matter in that situation.

Anyway, I am off now. Bye!