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To think if I need a body guard, I want a man

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righttools · 18/07/2024 10:50

Just from the footage of Trump's near assassination. Just made me think, if need a body guard, whose job it is to take a bullet for me, I want that bodyguard to be really, really big, so that his body is way bigger than mine, so it covers mine. Also seen other footage of bodyguards protecting people in a mob, and they only got their charge out because they were just so physically massive, they could force their way through.

Its a job where physical size and bulk matter. I'd just want a man, an unusually big and strong man, to do it.

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Mayorq · 18/07/2024 11:19

"whose job it is to take a bullet for me"

Surely this is only one aspect of the job and a pretty small aspect for a president (if you ignore a recency bias)

Most of their job should be assessing threatsfrom a tactical perspective. There's literally no scenario whereby trump should be overcome by a mob given the vetting of individuals he'll be in contact with, the ring fencing of him from the general public and other security measures.

The failings around this assassination attempt were in all the other aspects rather than the taking a bullet for him realm. After the first shot he's covered and nobody manages to shoot him again, so they didn't fail in their duties due to size.

If I was a normal celebrity with a small security detail, potentially unarmed and where I live my life in a way that necessitates more engagement general public I probably want a brick shit house though

PenguinCounter · 18/07/2024 11:20

Well I'm 5ft so any size bodyguard can cover me.

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Nellieinthebarn · 18/07/2024 11:20

Taller wouldn't be a problem for me, but getting a gym bunny male bodyguard that was wider might be a bit difficult apart from the shoulders, which I imagine would be several inches above me anyway.

But luckily no one needs to protect this short middle aged potato from assassination.

However, some women are built on the right lines. If I wanted a female bodyguard, Brienna of Tarn would be a good choice. Bit of a fun vampire, but good in a crises.

FatmanandKnobbin · 18/07/2024 11:21

righttools · 18/07/2024 11:19

I'm getting slagged for pointing out that in roles where physical bulk and strength matter, that men have a distinct advantage. Presumably people are slagging me from a feminist perspective.

Pointing out that some may be hypocritical if they are slagging me here but would defend the difference between men and women elsewhere, is entirely legitimate

Where did I say anything even remotely insulting towards you?

Persiancouscous · 18/07/2024 11:22

I dunno if you have a woman like Laurel Hubbard, you would be fine 😂

Anyway it's all to do with diversity and equality.

DoYouSmokePaul · 18/07/2024 11:22

But if you’re an average woman, a bigger/musclier than average woman would be enough to protect you. If small women hog all the big burly male security, who will protect big burly men 😂 I think I’m overthinking this. Reminds me of my tall female friend who got (jokingly) annoyed when she saw short women with men over a foot taller than them.

righttools · 18/07/2024 11:22

Shielehdie · 18/07/2024 11:16

Did you start this thread as thinly veiled attempt to get a froth going about trans people OP? Because that’s what it seems like.

Nope, but if people are going to clearly be slagging me for daring to say in some roles, sex matters - and to apparently do so from a feminist perspective, then I am going to point out potential hypocrisy.

I am not making any comment on trans people ( tell me where I have?). I am pointing out hypocrisy of those slagging me

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cupcaske123 · 18/07/2024 11:23

righttools · 18/07/2024 11:22

Nope, but if people are going to clearly be slagging me for daring to say in some roles, sex matters - and to apparently do so from a feminist perspective, then I am going to point out potential hypocrisy.

I am not making any comment on trans people ( tell me where I have?). I am pointing out hypocrisy of those slagging me

How do you feel about female police officers, soldiers, security guards and fire fighters?

Toetouchingtitties · 18/07/2024 11:23

YABU. I’m 5’8” and really fat, so could probably absorb more rounds than a 6’ 3” skinny bloke.

BlueBellsArePretty · 18/07/2024 11:24

righttools · 18/07/2024 11:15

Loving the way your feminism is wishing death on me for pointing out a reality based opinion. Are you mates with David Tennant by any chance? You have a lot in common.

You're loving a lot of things on this thread OP.

User6874356 · 18/07/2024 11:25

Actually in a lot of situations women make better bodyguards but in many (maybe most?) the reverse is true. Id be keen to have the best person for the job or jobs.

phishy · 18/07/2024 11:25

righttools · 18/07/2024 11:22

Nope, but if people are going to clearly be slagging me for daring to say in some roles, sex matters - and to apparently do so from a feminist perspective, then I am going to point out potential hypocrisy.

I am not making any comment on trans people ( tell me where I have?). I am pointing out hypocrisy of those slagging me

Your whole thread is an exercise in 'slagging' women, whatever that means.

So you've come at this thread in an 'anti-feminist' perspective and are now crying boo-hoo.

MereDintofPandiculation · 18/07/2024 11:26

I'm getting slagged for pointing out that in roles where physical bulk and strength matter, that men have a distinct advantage. Presumably people are slagging me from a feminist perspective. Men have a greater average bulk and strength. That's not the same as saying an individual man has greater strength than an individual woman. I would want someone strong, fit, quick thinking. I couldn't care a damn about their sex.

righttools · 18/07/2024 11:26

Ineffable23 · 18/07/2024 11:15

I tend to think there's a difference between wanting someone larger than you (seems like a legitimate requirement) and someone very strong (also legitimate) and recognising that that might mean on average you are going to employ more men than women (and setting a minimum height/weight might be discriminatory but might well also be a proportionate means to a legitimate aim), and saying "only a man will do".

That's a valid point.

I am sure those women would have done a grand job elsewhere. But as part of the security detail immediately around the president, rather than securing other areas, part of their job was to cover his body to both hide him from the shooter or to take the bullet if the shooter did shoot, and they simply did not have the physical size to do that.

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Shielehdie · 18/07/2024 11:26

righttools · 18/07/2024 11:22

Nope, but if people are going to clearly be slagging me for daring to say in some roles, sex matters - and to apparently do so from a feminist perspective, then I am going to point out potential hypocrisy.

I am not making any comment on trans people ( tell me where I have?). I am pointing out hypocrisy of those slagging me

I don’t think anyone is ‘slagging’ you. They’re just disagreeing.

DreadPirateRobots · 18/07/2024 11:27

TheHorneSection · 18/07/2024 11:15

Obviously, until our overwhelming attraction and some terrifying situation gives us a new found respect for each other

Don't forget that 1) he'll have a really big dick (but not too big) and 2) you'll never have had truly satisfying sex before.

why yes I did used to steal my mother's romance novels out of her drawer, why do you ask

righttools · 18/07/2024 11:28

phishy · 18/07/2024 11:25

Your whole thread is an exercise in 'slagging' women, whatever that means.

So you've come at this thread in an 'anti-feminist' perspective and are now crying boo-hoo.

Uh no, its not. its saying for this particular role those women did not have the right size, and they didn't.

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righttools · 18/07/2024 11:29

MereDintofPandiculation · 18/07/2024 11:26

I'm getting slagged for pointing out that in roles where physical bulk and strength matter, that men have a distinct advantage. Presumably people are slagging me from a feminist perspective. Men have a greater average bulk and strength. That's not the same as saying an individual man has greater strength than an individual woman. I would want someone strong, fit, quick thinking. I couldn't care a damn about their sex.

But in reality women who did not have the physicality for the job were put in that particular role.

And look at the footage of Kellie Jay Keen being pushed through the crowd by her security guy. Its highly unlikely a woman could have done that.

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MereDintofPandiculation · 18/07/2024 11:30

Nope, but if people are going to clearly be slagging me for daring to say in some roles, sex matters - and to apparently do so from a feminist perspective, then I am going to point out potential hypocrisy. Sex matters in some roles (someone may prefer a person of the same sex to carry out an intimate medical examination, or take down a witness statement from a rape victim). Bodyguard is not one of them. Strength, fitness, agility, quick-thinkingness and other attributes matter, and some of these may be attributes found more in men than women, but that's not the same as saying sex matters in the role of bodyguard.

1dayatatime · 18/07/2024 11:31

FatmanandKnobbin · 18/07/2024 11:07

Nah, I would rather have a woman.

Men are too emotional and irrational.

Really??

www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/who-is-michelle-herczeg-kamala-harris-secret-service-bodyguard-article-109611433/amp

phishy · 18/07/2024 11:31

righttools · 18/07/2024 11:28

Uh no, its not. its saying for this particular role those women did not have the right size, and they didn't.

And yet who is he leaning on? Oh look, it's a woman.

To think if I need a body guard, I want a man
righttools · 18/07/2024 11:31

Shielehdie · 18/07/2024 11:26

I don’t think anyone is ‘slagging’ you. They’re just disagreeing.

Hard to see a post saying its just as well women won't have to take a bullet for me as mere disagreement.

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MereDintofPandiculation · 18/07/2024 11:33

righttools · 18/07/2024 11:28

Uh no, its not. its saying for this particular role those women did not have the right size, and they didn't.

No you weren't saying that.You weren't saying these particular women didn't fit the role, you were saying no women would - you want a man.

righttools · 18/07/2024 11:33

MereDintofPandiculation · 18/07/2024 11:30

Nope, but if people are going to clearly be slagging me for daring to say in some roles, sex matters - and to apparently do so from a feminist perspective, then I am going to point out potential hypocrisy. Sex matters in some roles (someone may prefer a person of the same sex to carry out an intimate medical examination, or take down a witness statement from a rape victim). Bodyguard is not one of them. Strength, fitness, agility, quick-thinkingness and other attributes matter, and some of these may be attributes found more in men than women, but that's not the same as saying sex matters in the role of bodyguard.

It matters if you need to be surrounded and hidden from sight from a shooter, or need someone's bulk to push through a mob. I am sure there are other aspects of security detail women and men can do equally. But those two are not them.

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