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To get irritated by surveys that ask for my 'gender' but not for my sex?

118 replies

Oodiks · 16/07/2024 22:29

If it's on paper I cross out 'gender' and write in sex, if it's a phone survey I comment that my sex is female.

I am my body, my body is me, and my body is female. I do not believe in gendered souls being popped into the 'wrong' body by some foolish god.

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SharonEllis · 17/07/2024 11:47

Hellopetalmetal · 17/07/2024 08:38

As far as I’m aware the majority of people who answer as Ms are unmarried. Do you know differently?

I know lots of married women that use Ms. Very few married friends use mrs.

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 17/07/2024 11:54

TheKeatingFive · 17/07/2024 10:07

when people deny gender I often wonder about intersex people or those whose genitals are/were ambiguous.

The number of people with DSDs (not intersex), where there is ambiguity about what sex they are, is infinitesimally tiny and will be clarified by a medical professional

When people deny gender but are happy to state their sex I assume that, like me, they think the concept of gender is sexist bollocks.

SedentaryCat · 17/07/2024 12:21

The survey that irritated me most was the one that asked if I identified as:

Cis Woman
Cis Man
Trans Woman
Trans Man
Non-binary
Other.

I identify as none of those listed, apart from 'other', and this didn't have the option to add any text. There was a comments box at the end of the survey where I suggested they might want to review their wording as their results would be skewed if too many people objected to the cis label.

I am a woman. Born female....not 'cis' anything.

It annoys me because if I have to recognise how others identify in order to avoid causing offence, so why should I not be recognised for how I identify?

SharonEllis · 17/07/2024 12:43

plasticbanana98 · 17/07/2024 08:44

You've literally got a dedicated board for this crap. Can you just stay there please and not pollute the rest of the boards with this moral panic over nothing (cue the comments 'Women won't be quiet, we're not going to shut up!').

I'd really love to have so little to care about that I'd give a shit about this over say, the levels of homelessness and child poverty we have, but it's not the case. You know what gender means on the form, you're just looking to start a bunfight around your obsession with what people have between their legs.

Yawn.

Isn't it funny - you are the one that brought up genitals not the OP or any one else not conforming to gender ideology. It does betray a misunderstanding of sex. Sex is in every cell, its in your skeleton, your musculature etc. Genitals are just one outward manifestation.

Hedgeoffressian · 17/07/2024 12:45

They are trying to push gender and make it more relevant than sex. Which it isn’t,

Hedgeoffressian · 17/07/2024 12:47

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 17/07/2024 11:54

When people deny gender but are happy to state their sex I assume that, like me, they think the concept of gender is sexist bollocks.

Edited

Well said

Hedgeoffressian · 17/07/2024 12:50

ilovesooty · 17/07/2024 00:28

I just answer the question. I sometimes give a passing thought to whether someone's getting annoyed about it.

Plenty of people do, for very valid reasons as stated on this site regularly.

Hateam · 17/07/2024 16:54

Hellopetalmetal · 17/07/2024 08:38

As far as I’m aware the majority of people who answer as Ms are unmarried. Do you know differently?

No.
And irrelevant to the point I was making.

Ms, just like Mr, gives no information about marital status.

Bananaadramaa · 17/07/2024 16:59

I’ve got way too many other things to worry about to get irritated by things like this

Oodiks · 17/07/2024 19:43

Hellopetalmetal · 17/07/2024 08:38

As far as I’m aware the majority of people who answer as Ms are unmarried. Do you know differently?

If women are using Ms to indicate that they are unmarried, they are perverting its original intention. I've used Ms since I was a teenager, continued using it, without changing my name, when I got married, and I'm still using it now I'm divorced.

I do know of women who were Ms X until they got married and became Mrs Y, but they are clearly missing the point entirely.

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Oodiks · 17/07/2024 19:44

Bananaadramaa · 17/07/2024 16:59

I’ve got way too many other things to worry about to get irritated by things like this

Glad you could spare the time to tell me how unimportant this issue is to you.

Jog on.

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5128gap · 17/07/2024 20:30

I was fine with it when gender was a polite way of saying sex. Now as I understand it, gender and sex are completely different things, and I've yet to find someone who can explain to me what 'gender' is and how exactly you know which gender you are. I know I'm of the female sex, but until I know the criteria by which you decide what gender you are, then I can't be sure I'm answering correctly.

LindorDoubleChoc · 17/07/2024 20:41

Yanbu. I won't have anything to do with anyone who asks for my gender.

SharonEllis · 17/07/2024 20:42

5128gap · 17/07/2024 20:30

I was fine with it when gender was a polite way of saying sex. Now as I understand it, gender and sex are completely different things, and I've yet to find someone who can explain to me what 'gender' is and how exactly you know which gender you are. I know I'm of the female sex, but until I know the criteria by which you decide what gender you are, then I can't be sure I'm answering correctly.

Exactly this. There is no way of defining gender without either basing it on sex (which is meaningful) or on regressive stereotypes.

ItWasnaMeGuv · 17/07/2024 20:46

Oodiks · 16/07/2024 22:29

If it's on paper I cross out 'gender' and write in sex, if it's a phone survey I comment that my sex is female.

I am my body, my body is me, and my body is female. I do not believe in gendered souls being popped into the 'wrong' body by some foolish god.

You are most definitely NOT being unreasonable. I have massive issues with the way this "g" word is regularly conflated with "sex". It is deliberate obfuscation imo to push the trans narrative. . Often when gender is used in a form there are two alternatives: male and female, fine. This means that gender is the same as sex.

"Gender" identity - what does that mean? Someone who identifies as male or female? That is a belief like a religion and has no place in public or legal documents.

Sex MUST be written in all documents and gender must be removed.

ItWasnaMeGuv · 17/07/2024 20:57

Hellopetalmetal · 17/07/2024 09:30

when people deny gender I often wonder about intersex people or those whose genitals are/were ambiguous.

Doesnt that cast any doubt for you on the fact that gender and sex are different. I can be intersex (and have had ambiguous genitals at birth) but be living comfortably as one gender or another, and be receiving all the privileges or discriminations of that gender (which is often what is relevant in data collection - ie understanding whether certain groups have an advantage or not).

i don’t have lived experience of being intersex so can’t speak to it deeply but surely it makes you question your convictions!

Honestly another thing I wonder is why so many of you are doing surveys all day!!!! And writing them by the sounds of it!

Such people are either male or female. If there is any confusion at birth a blood test check is done. If the baby's DNA profile contains a "Y" it is male. If it only contains X, it is female.

Oodiks · 17/07/2024 20:58

plasticbanana98 · 17/07/2024 08:44

You've literally got a dedicated board for this crap. Can you just stay there please and not pollute the rest of the boards with this moral panic over nothing (cue the comments 'Women won't be quiet, we're not going to shut up!').

I'd really love to have so little to care about that I'd give a shit about this over say, the levels of homelessness and child poverty we have, but it's not the case. You know what gender means on the form, you're just looking to start a bunfight around your obsession with what people have between their legs.

Yawn.

There's a dedicated board for being irritated by the use of 'gender' instead of sex? Or do you mean the board for Feminism and all that crap?

The thing is that it does affect the issues you care about because women are at the sharp end of child poverty, not men who want to be women, but females. For example, when women suffer from violence at the hands of men, they deserve single sex spaces to recover, but if you're not going to differentiate between females and males and are just asking about gender, then males can identify themselves into those single sex spaces.

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Underthinker · 20/07/2024 06:26

Hellopetalmetal · 17/07/2024 08:38

As far as I’m aware the majority of people who answer as Ms are unmarried. Do you know differently?

I think you've msunderstood.

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