To get irritated by surveys that ask for my 'gender' but not for my sex?

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If it's on paper I cross out 'gender' and write in sex, if it's a phone survey I comment that my sex is female.

I am my body, my body is me, and my body is female. I do not believe in gendered souls being popped into the 'wrong' body by some foolish god.

It sounds like your gender is female. So tick that. It’s not hard

As far as I’m aware the majority of people who answer as Ms are unmarried. Do you know differently?

Prefer not to say isn't accurate though. I don't "prefer not to say" , I just do not have a gender, because it's made up bollocks.

If there were an option to say "I don't have a gender" then that would be fine, but there never is.

I usually ignore the question entirely, or it if it's compulsory online I choose "other" then write "I don't have a gender. My sex is female" in the free text box which then appears.

YANBU OP, it's very annoying and also unhelpful for those collecting the data if they don't ask about sex.

I'm not sure why it's helpful to know someone is faegender. If they really want to know if someone follows the cult of gender they can just ask that.

I always cross out ‘gender’ and replace it with ‘sex’. Then write Female. Even an NHS form had this - maybe someone will notice and take it on board. I live in hope.

You've literally got a dedicated board for this crap. Can you just stay there please and not pollute the rest of the boards with this moral panic over nothing (cue the comments 'Women won't be quiet, we're not going to shut up!').

I'd really love to have so little to care about that I'd give a shit about this over say, the levels of homelessness and child poverty we have, but it's not the case. You know what gender means on the form, you're just looking to start a bunfight around your obsession with what people have between their legs.

Yawn.

Yes this.

Every time I tick other and write no gender identity, sex is female. Or prefer not to say. Either way it messes up the stats. I had to point this out to a work colleague recently as his survey only asked for gender. I asked what he was hoping to learn from that question.

Yes have noticed that characters in Dickens and Austen often mention "their sex" with no hint that it's funny or sexual. But I have read that gender was also used historically, although this was in an online dictionary, so whether or not that can be trusted I don't know.

YABU because gender is a thing. I don't know why everyone here argues that it's not. Yes, it's a sociocultural concept, but that doesn't make it any less real.

National borders don't exist in nature - there no line on the ground showing where Canada ends and the US begins - but we all act as if there was. Society is full of these mutually agreed arrangements.

Everyone knows what you mean when you say the word "gender". And everyone knows that there are some people living as a different gender to their birth sex. Saying that this is "nonsense" will not make it go away.

I worry about women's safe spaces too, but I think the dismissive attitude taken by many here towards gender issues is really unhelpful.

You nailed it

Gender has NOTHING to do with what people have between their legs ( I assume you mean their sex but you really need to learn some biology ).

In fact it’s quite bigoted to say this, people of both sexes can identify as any gender they like and it’s not your place to tell them how they identify.

YABU because gender is a thing
But the point is that in most cases it's not a relevant thing.

Rape crisis centres
Womens shelters
Domestic violence support agencies
FGM support agencies

Breast screening
Smear tests
Prostate exams

All of these things and countless more exist precisely BECAUSE what is between someone's legs.
You are either very young and as of yet not had the life experience to show you how intrinsically important someone's sex is, or you are worryingly under informed and are naively dismissing people's legitimate concerns.

The biological differences between men and women go far beyond their hormones and their reproductive systems - they are also manifested in metabolism, pharmacokinetics, pharmacodynamics, bioavailability... all of these things make is vitally important that a person's biological sex is recorded, especially on medical records.

Their gender has absolutely no bearing on anything.

when people deny gender I often wonder about intersex people or those whose genitals are/were ambiguous.

Doesnt that cast any doubt for you on the fact that gender and sex are different. I can be intersex (and have had ambiguous genitals at birth) but be living comfortably as one gender or another, and be receiving all the privileges or discriminations of that gender (which is often what is relevant in data collection - ie understanding whether certain groups have an advantage or not).

i don’t have lived experience of being intersex so can’t speak to it deeply but surely it makes you question your convictions!

Honestly another thing I wonder is why so many of you are doing surveys all day!!!! And writing them by the sounds of it!

Intersex is an incredibly outdated term. DSD is the accepted term and using the word intersex has been widely understood to be offensive to people with this condition.

0.02% of people are born with a DSD or difference in sex development. They are still either male or female. It is biologically impossible be a mix between the two or "intersex".
You either have a DSD that is present in males OR females.

And people with DSDs have repeatedly and publicly asked to be left out of the gender nonsense. I think we should respect that.

when people deny gender I often wonder about intersex people or those whose genitals are/were ambiguous.

The number of people with DSDs (not intersex), where there is ambiguity about what sex they are, is infinitesimally tiny and will be clarified by a medical professional

God I am so bored of this.

People with DSDs are still either male or female.

They are not some third sex or something in between.

And yes OP it pisses me right off too.

You might wanna sit down before you read any other threads on AIBU! 😮

No, it often makes no sense.

What gender do you identify as followed up by asking if it's different from your sex assigned at birth.

I don't have a gender identity. I don't understand what it means to have one, I know some people find it really important but it means nothing to me. It just means I have to say no gender then try and answer what is now a nonsensical question about is this thing I don't even have different to biological reality.

It's particularly frustrating on my works equal opps form as it means we are no longer monitoring for sex of applicants.

For the first 50 years of your life this was true - it is no longer true, the language has been coopted by gender ideology

I just put female because I’ve never questioned it. It’s the same description as my biological sex anyway. I don’t see what the fuss is about?

"That MN can't get behind"? I think you'll find plenty of posters who happily DO.

But then, there have always been women happy to give the blokes whatever they want.

Totally agree - especially if it's in anyway health related - if at all possible I write I don't have a gender I am a women

That's incorrect. When I was a teenager I hate Miss or Mrs so I always put down nothing except when I had to. Then it was Ms. I've been married over 20 years and I'm still a Ms. Get with the times.

By get with the times - do you mean get acquainted with your life? A quick internet search shows that you are likely in the minority unfortunately - though I do the same. Though hopefully this would catch on

getting with the times would surely be abolishing miss/mrs and just having Ms (equivalent to Mr)