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To get irritated by surveys that ask for my 'gender' but not for my sex?

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Oodiks · 16/07/2024 22:29

If it's on paper I cross out 'gender' and write in sex, if it's a phone survey I comment that my sex is female.

I am my body, my body is me, and my body is female. I do not believe in gendered souls being popped into the 'wrong' body by some foolish god.

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Incakewetrust · 16/07/2024 23:02

@Kriscross as much as I appreciate your reply, the post wasn't about any of the things you've just mentioned. It was about a tick box on a letter saying 'gender' rather than 'sex'.

SharonEllis · 16/07/2024 23:03

Underthinker · 16/07/2024 22:57

Depends on the context. A lot of people still use gender to mean biological sex, especially in the US.
If someone asks what gender your cat is, you can safely assume they're not asking about the societal expectations placed upon it.

Thats because people got caught up in a cult and got coy about the use of the word sex. The dictionary definition didnt change. If someone asks you the gender of your cat you point out that a cat has no concept of gender but you know its sex is M or F.

ForGreyKoala · 16/07/2024 23:03

ElliLovesDogs · 16/07/2024 22:43

I dont even notice and just answer the question 🤷🏻‍♀️

Me too. What lives some people must live when they are so easily annoyed. It's a question on a form, end of.

SnowFrogJelly · 16/07/2024 23:04

It's just a word.. does it really matter

Screamingabdabz · 16/07/2024 23:14

I am GC as they come but I just take it to mean sex as there are only two choices in reality. Everyone is either male/female. It’s their problem if they get skewed inaccurate results with skewed thinking.

echt · 16/07/2024 23:15

It hacks me off too. If there's room on such questionnaires, I tell them exactly what I think. And yes, it's bowing to the whole identity bullocks.

My other one is age range. On many questionnaires, 60-65 is the last age range. After that you are demographically dead, even though such an age group will have lots of cashed-up "Boomers" in it, whose spending power and preferences are worth knowing about I'd have thought.

WiseBiscuit · 16/07/2024 23:18

On DD’s school application where it had Gender- I put “no idea she’s 4. However her biological sex is Female”

I write similar on any form.

MrsSkylerWhite · 16/07/2024 23:21

WiseBiscuit · Today 23:18
On DD’s school application where it had Gender- I put “no idea she’s 4. However her biological sex is Female”

I write similar on any form”

A really sensible reply. It will be her choice when she’s an adult.

Garlickest · 16/07/2024 23:25

SnowFrogJelly · 16/07/2024 23:04

It's just a word.. does it really matter

Yes, it really does matter. In 2024, your 'gender' is male if you feel like masculine stereotypes suit you better than feminine ones - though your sex may well be female.

Being logged by systems as a man, you'll receive inappropriate health advice (one 'man' nearly died of an ectopic pregnancy because her health records said she was male).

You'll be included in men-only things and excluded from women-only ones, leading to conflicts of many kinds.

You will be defined and limited by stereotypical masculinity - as many men are, to be sure, but yours will doubtless be even more limiting because of your female body and background.

You're welcome not to care about any of it if your answer to "What is a man?" is something like "A person, male or female, who thinks of themselves in terms of Action Man stereotypes".

I'm welcome to think this is backward-looking bullshit; I don't define myself or other people as any kind of stereotype, and I certainly don't think gender stereotypes matter more than sex.

Oodiks · 16/07/2024 23:43

MrsSkylerWhite · 16/07/2024 22:48

This again? Why?

I’m 60. Pretty much every form I’ve ever filled in has asked “gender”. Most people recognise that means male or female.
if you identify as another gender, you write that in the box.

They used to, but sex and gender seem to have gotten unhinged so a person born male can say they identify as a woman and that is their gender.

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Oodiks · 17/07/2024 00:23

SnowFrogJelly · 16/07/2024 23:04

It's just a word.. does it really matter

Clearly it matters to me.

If it doesn't matter to you, jog on.

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ilovesooty · 17/07/2024 00:28

ElliLovesDogs · 16/07/2024 22:43

I dont even notice and just answer the question 🤷🏻‍♀️

I just answer the question. I sometimes give a passing thought to whether someone's getting annoyed about it.

dotdotdot3 · 17/07/2024 00:34

Absurdly, I had to fill in a veterinary survey which asked whether I knew my dog's 'gender' (no question about my dog's sex). I actually ended up emailing the originator because there was no way to reframe the question online. And it made absolutely no sense.

To be fair, I did get a reply apologising for the wording 😆

ilovesooty · 17/07/2024 00:35

Oodiks · 17/07/2024 00:23

Clearly it matters to me.

If it doesn't matter to you, jog on.

You did ask if you were BU to get irritated. Some people are going to say you are.

Oodiks · 17/07/2024 00:37

ilovesooty · 17/07/2024 00:35

You did ask if you were BU to get irritated. Some people are going to say you are.

I suppose you're right; it's just the irony of people wasting their time to tell me I'm wasting mine!

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DTisawazzock · 17/07/2024 00:37

Hellopetalmetal · 16/07/2024 22:33

Something I do find annoying on surveys though is why my title is determined partly by whether I’m married (unless doctor/professor etc)!!! And men just have Mr status regardless…

You mean "Mrs" or "Miss"? I haven't seen that for many a year. I can't remember what it actually says (probably Mrs or Ms). Anyway I've always been a Ms, before I married and now.

Devilsmommy · 17/07/2024 00:42

Kriscross · 16/07/2024 22:44

Yes it's a social construct, hence over 150 of the stupid things for idiots who feel the need to tell you they are unicornionsexual or some other such nonsense. I mean who cares if you fancy trees, cars, have sex or don't or think about sex but can't make it unless the other asexualtoadlover dies their hair purple and chants throughout 🙄

🤣🤣🤣

Devilsmommy · 17/07/2024 00:47

I think the most ridiculous place I encountered this was when looking at nurseries. The form asked child's gender. Options were male, female, non binary 😳 I mean FFS are there really any non binary 3 year olds and under? 🤨

Oodiks · 17/07/2024 00:47

DTisawazzock · 17/07/2024 00:37

You mean "Mrs" or "Miss"? I haven't seen that for many a year. I can't remember what it actually says (probably Mrs or Ms). Anyway I've always been a Ms, before I married and now.

When I was a teenager, I had to write in Ms on forms because it wasn't always included as an option.

I was irritated to find that as soon as Ms became commonplace it was joined by Mx, denoting neither male or female.

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Oodiks · 17/07/2024 00:49

Devilsmommy · 17/07/2024 00:47

I think the most ridiculous place I encountered this was when looking at nurseries. The form asked child's gender. Options were male, female, non binary 😳 I mean FFS are there really any non binary 3 year olds and under? 🤨

In a sense they are all non-binary at that age. I mean it just doesn't matter that much, they can wear the same clothes, use the same bathrooms etc.

Some languages don't really use gendered terms for small children, they are just children.

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SleepPrettyDarling · 17/07/2024 00:52

I care, and I feel it does matter. It’s asked for a multiplicity of reasons, and it skews data if ‘gender’ is employed and considered a self-selecting social construct. There is a long history of discrimination of women on the basis of sex. Asking ‘gender’ makes this a woolly and distorting question if people are given anything other than a male/female binary choice.

Echodaisy7 · 17/07/2024 01:33

Why let it bother you so much? It's just a word on a form. People get so het up about this gender stuff. If you're a woman then great, write woman. Why is it such a big deal?

BeachParty · 17/07/2024 01:42

My sex is female, my gender is female.
I am a "biological woman" physically, I identify as one too gender wise.
So I really can't get worked up if it asks for my gender. I just answer.
I don't understand more why some people on here can't seem to grasp that we're not all the same.
I just tick the box for me. Female and female.

Oodiks · 17/07/2024 02:29

Echodaisy7 · 17/07/2024 01:33

Why let it bother you so much? It's just a word on a form. People get so het up about this gender stuff. If you're a woman then great, write woman. Why is it such a big deal?

Because sex matters. Not gender.

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Oodiks · 17/07/2024 02:30

BeachParty · 17/07/2024 01:42

My sex is female, my gender is female.
I am a "biological woman" physically, I identify as one too gender wise.
So I really can't get worked up if it asks for my gender. I just answer.
I don't understand more why some people on here can't seem to grasp that we're not all the same.
I just tick the box for me. Female and female.

Good for you.

I don’t get ‘worked up’ either, just irritated by imprecise terminology.

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