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AIBU to feel frustrated with restaurant?

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Heelworkhero · 16/07/2024 00:44

Went out for a lovely meal this evening with a friend.
It was about 9.30pm when we finally finished eating and asked for a decaf coffee each.
Clearly, it wasn’t decaf, given I’m wide awake and I never have a problem sleeping.
It’s so frustrating when this happens!!!
Pointless even trying to sleep for hours now…….

OP posts:
mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 14:09

Bluebirdover · 21/07/2024 14:04

@mutationseagull this is about coffee containing caffeine, your post is irrelevant.

I don’t agree that it is irrelevant. The point of my post was to illustrate that people can die from consuming one caffeinated drink. The type of drink is irrelevant.

Trixiefirecracker · 21/07/2024 14:10

mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 14:09

I don’t agree that it is irrelevant. The point of my post was to illustrate that people can die from consuming one caffeinated drink. The type of drink is irrelevant.

It’s very relevant as different caffeinated drinks contain different levels of caffeine.

Bluebirdover · 21/07/2024 14:11

@mutationseagull it's totally irrelevant, it's about a supercharged caffeinated drink, not a cup of coffee!

Bluebirdover · 21/07/2024 14:12

I was mistaken that it was coffee but it’s still caffeine so materially the same as if it had been coffee.

Your powers of observation are very poor, do not become a detective!

voiceofastar · 21/07/2024 14:15

I used to have a heart condition that led to tachycardia upwards of 300 bpm. I was told not to drink caffeinated drinks but decaf was ok (decaf coffee has less caffeine than a few squares of dark chocolate). As well as being extremely unpleasant, an episode put me at risk of sudden death.

The thing is, if I had an episode or even died as a result, it’s very unlikely anyone would follow it up with a coffee shop so it wouldn’t make the news. High doses of caffeine are dangerous for some people and cafes and restaurants serving coffee should take care when somebody orders decaf.

Bluebirdover · 21/07/2024 14:18

voiceofastar · 21/07/2024 14:15

I used to have a heart condition that led to tachycardia upwards of 300 bpm. I was told not to drink caffeinated drinks but decaf was ok (decaf coffee has less caffeine than a few squares of dark chocolate). As well as being extremely unpleasant, an episode put me at risk of sudden death.

The thing is, if I had an episode or even died as a result, it’s very unlikely anyone would follow it up with a coffee shop so it wouldn’t make the news. High doses of caffeine are dangerous for some people and cafes and restaurants serving coffee should take care when somebody orders decaf.

Edited

Did you drink coffee whilst out? If it was that dangerous did you risk a mistake?

If so, I think you were extremely foolhardy.

Trixiefirecracker · 21/07/2024 14:19

If you suddenly dropped down dead for no apparent reason, they would investigate that death and perform an autopsy. If it was shown you had been taken large quantities of caffeine and that had killed you the that would be recorded. I’m pretty sure if it was a common thing, there would be news stories about people dying from drinking coffee. I can’t find any so am deducing it’s incredible rare.

voiceofastar · 21/07/2024 14:40

@Bluebirdover, no, I didn’t, I drank decaf at home. However, many heart conditions like mine can be asymptomatic for a long time. Sometimes otherwise fit and healthy young people drop down dead during or following exercise, often as a result of an undiagnosed heart condition.

As I said:

High doses of caffeine are dangerous for some people and cafes and restaurants serving coffee should take care when somebody orders decaf.

I’m not sure why you’re tying yourself up in knots trying to deny this. It’s a simple, inoffensive statement based on fact. I guess some people just love to argue.

mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 14:40

Trixiefirecracker · 21/07/2024 14:19

If you suddenly dropped down dead for no apparent reason, they would investigate that death and perform an autopsy. If it was shown you had been taken large quantities of caffeine and that had killed you the that would be recorded. I’m pretty sure if it was a common thing, there would be news stories about people dying from drinking coffee. I can’t find any so am deducing it’s incredible rare.

It is rare but there were two cases in the US last year. I posted one above. People die from overdosing on caffeine fairly regularly, but usually this is due to drinking far too much coffee or energy drinks, or miscalculating the dose of a caffeine supplement. In the cases where people have died after drinking only one or two caffeinated drinks, they have invariably had underlying heart issues. The fact that it is uncommon does not make it okay for establishments to be lax about serving caffeine to people who do not want it.

Trixiefirecracker · 21/07/2024 14:42

mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 14:40

It is rare but there were two cases in the US last year. I posted one above. People die from overdosing on caffeine fairly regularly, but usually this is due to drinking far too much coffee or energy drinks, or miscalculating the dose of a caffeine supplement. In the cases where people have died after drinking only one or two caffeinated drinks, they have invariably had underlying heart issues. The fact that it is uncommon does not make it okay for establishments to be lax about serving caffeine to people who do not want it.

You didn’t, you posted something about a super charged caffeine drink. We are talking about a cup of coffee. Happy for you to find me a news story about this but your other posts are not relevant.

mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 14:57

Trixiefirecracker · 21/07/2024 14:42

You didn’t, you posted something about a super charged caffeine drink. We are talking about a cup of coffee. Happy for you to find me a news story about this but your other posts are not relevant.

Like I said, I was mistaken that it was not coffee but the difference is immaterial imho. The victims died after consuming a drink that they thought was caffeine-free. Most people do not expect a lemonade to contain caffeine. A large coffee in a lot of establishments contains a similar amount of caffeine to this lemonade so the exact same thing could happen if the person was given caffeinated coffee instead of decaf.

Bluebirdover · 21/07/2024 15:09

voiceofastar · 21/07/2024 14:40

@Bluebirdover, no, I didn’t, I drank decaf at home. However, many heart conditions like mine can be asymptomatic for a long time. Sometimes otherwise fit and healthy young people drop down dead during or following exercise, often as a result of an undiagnosed heart condition.

As I said:

High doses of caffeine are dangerous for some people and cafes and restaurants serving coffee should take care when somebody orders decaf.

I’m not sure why you’re tying yourself up in knots trying to deny this. It’s a simple, inoffensive statement based on fact. I guess some people just love to argue.

Not tying myself in knots, just think your talking rubbish.

And to say these deaths would be undiagnosed......

Hilarious!!

It happens, people dying from caffeinated coffee, when they've asked for decaf, but it's just not found out.

mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 15:38

Bluebirdover · 21/07/2024 15:09

Not tying myself in knots, just think your talking rubbish.

And to say these deaths would be undiagnosed......

Hilarious!!

It happens, people dying from caffeinated coffee, when they've asked for decaf, but it's just not found out.

They said that the fatal heart condition is often previously undiagnosed. Not that the death itself would be “undiagnosed”.

Bluebirdover · 21/07/2024 15:40

@mutationseagull for someone who made a mistake of a cup coffee and a super charged lemonade, you'll excuse me for not taking you seriously?

Trixiefirecracker · 21/07/2024 16:01

mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 14:57

Like I said, I was mistaken that it was not coffee but the difference is immaterial imho. The victims died after consuming a drink that they thought was caffeine-free. Most people do not expect a lemonade to contain caffeine. A large coffee in a lot of establishments contains a similar amount of caffeine to this lemonade so the exact same thing could happen if the person was given caffeinated coffee instead of decaf.

It’s not immaterial if you have a massive amount more caffeine in one drink than the other! Surely you can understand this? It’s just not the same. Sorry but I think there is something wrong with you comprehension if you can’t understand this?

mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 16:08

Trixiefirecracker · 21/07/2024 16:01

It’s not immaterial if you have a massive amount more caffeine in one drink than the other! Surely you can understand this? It’s just not the same. Sorry but I think there is something wrong with you comprehension if you can’t understand this?

As I previously said, the lemonade contained the same amount of caffeine as many coffees do.

Trixiefirecracker · 21/07/2024 16:13

mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 16:08

As I previously said, the lemonade contained the same amount of caffeine as many coffees do.

Did you read your own article?
‘But at 390 milligrams, the large Charged Lemonade has more caffeine than any size of Panera’s dark roast coffee’
Regular Coffee contains an average of 95mg per cup…so over three times the amount, so no, it does not compare at all! 🙄

mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 16:20

Trixiefirecracker · 21/07/2024 16:13

Did you read your own article?
‘But at 390 milligrams, the large Charged Lemonade has more caffeine than any size of Panera’s dark roast coffee’
Regular Coffee contains an average of 95mg per cup…so over three times the amount, so no, it does not compare at all! 🙄

That comment was based on other articles such as this one that compare the caffeine content of the lemonade drink to standard coffees such as those sold at Starbucks.

“With ice, a “regular” size of a Panera Charged drink has nearly as much caffeine as a grande (16 oz.) Starbucks iced coffee, which has 185 milligrams of caffeine. A “large” Charged drink is in the same ballpark as a venti (24 oz.) Starbucks iced coffee, which has 265 mg of caffeine.”

Starbucks®

https://www.starbucks.com/menu/product/422/iced/nutrition

Trixiefirecracker · 21/07/2024 16:22

Jesus. You are hard work. Neither of those even have anywhere the amount of coffee in them either! 😂 Sorry. I know it’s hard to be wrong. I have expended enough energy trying to explain the difference. I’m sorry it’s too tricky for you to grasp,

mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 16:32

It seems like there was some confusion in the initial articles over the caffeine content with the 390mg figure applying to the drink without ice dilution. The figures in the second article account for ice dilution.

Bluebirdover · 21/07/2024 16:33

mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 16:32

It seems like there was some confusion in the initial articles over the caffeine content with the 390mg figure applying to the drink without ice dilution. The figures in the second article account for ice dilution.

I think you're very very confused!

No one is agreeing with you!

Give up.

Bluebirdover · 21/07/2024 16:35

mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 16:32

It seems like there was some confusion in the initial articles over the caffeine content with the 390mg figure applying to the drink without ice dilution. The figures in the second article account for ice dilution.

It's that article about the lemonade or the imaginary coffee?

mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 16:37

In what way do you think I am confused?
An independent food health watchdog reported that the caffeine content of the lemonade when diluted with ice was on a par with Starbucks iced coffee.

Bluebirdover · 21/07/2024 16:39

mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 16:37

In what way do you think I am confused?
An independent food health watchdog reported that the caffeine content of the lemonade when diluted with ice was on a par with Starbucks iced coffee.

If you're addressing someone specifically, you'd be best either quoting the post or using the @?

Assuming you're directing this comment at me, you've found one random thing on the internet an used it as leverage for your argument about coffee, when you were mistaken as it's lemonade! It's just nonsense really.

mutationseagull · 21/07/2024 16:39

Bluebirdover · 21/07/2024 16:35

It's that article about the lemonade or the imaginary coffee?

If isn’t imaginary coffee. It is comparing the lemonade with the caffeine content of standard iced coffee drinks from Starbucks. All of this info is available on the Panera and Starbucks websites.

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