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Surely it’s time to stop using “Karen” as an insult

161 replies

Headabovetheparapets · 13/07/2024 23:04

Is it just me who feels that this use of the name Karen to imply unreasonable/stroppy/mean/spiteful behaviour has become Bullying?
And yes I am called Karen🤗 but whenever I see the name, along with Kevin, Sharon or Nigel used to describe ‘bad’ or ‘typical’ behaviour I feel rather sad.
I don’t think I’m generally difficult, to be honest I’m too lazy🤣🤣 & a big fan of live & let live. So the frequent references to ‘ Karen’ being nasty/mean/horrible are hard to hear & each time I do that sadness grows & I step that little bit further away to protect me.
so

AIBU it’s just a joke get over it
YANBU it is hard to constantly hear that your name means you’re mean

Somewhat lighthearted but writing this out makes me realise it really does hurt.

OP posts:
cupcaske123 · 14/07/2024 00:35

Karentoo · 14/07/2024 00:32

It hasn't happened to you, so therefore it hasn't happened to any other woman 🤔

You're quoting the wrong post

ClickClack300 · 14/07/2024 00:35

I agree OP, it’s racist, ageist, sexist to name but a few! If you changed the name Karen to Mohamed, there would be fucking uproar, but it’s a the name of a middle aged, white British woman so take the piss all you want. Fucking appalling 😡

Opine · 14/07/2024 00:35

@GrazingSheep Not so much luck but just because I don’t fit the profile despite my womanhood.

NotTerfNorCis · 14/07/2024 00:37

Opine · 14/07/2024 00:35

@GrazingSheep Not so much luck but just because I don’t fit the profile despite my womanhood.

How? All women get called Karen these days, not just white women.

LemonTreeGrove · 14/07/2024 00:37

Opine · 14/07/2024 00:35

@GrazingSheep Not so much luck but just because I don’t fit the profile despite my womanhood.

I'm alright Jack! It is possible to care about misogyny that has been directed at someone other than yourself you know.

Karentoo · 14/07/2024 00:37

cupcaske123 · 14/07/2024 00:35

You're quoting the wrong post

Apologies, the quote shows the quote history, but it puts your statement on top, I was replying to Opine's post.

cupcaske123 · 14/07/2024 00:38

Karentoo · 14/07/2024 00:37

Apologies, the quote shows the quote history, but it puts your statement on top, I was replying to Opine's post.

It's no problem.

Opine · 14/07/2024 00:38

atbis is taking an interesting turn @NotTerfNorCis @ClickClack300 .

Opine · 14/07/2024 00:39

*this

Karentoo · 14/07/2024 00:41

It's not just a white woman thing though. I am white, but neither of the two other women I know called Karen are white and they hate the name calling too.

HoHoHoliday · 14/07/2024 00:42

It's derogatory, sexist and misogynistic, and pretty lazy too. Mumsnet seem to be doing ok and removing the usage of it here but I still see it a lot on other social media, usually in the comments when a woman has posted something.
I wish people would move on. My lovely sister is Karen and has been forced to change her name in her 50s because of this. I also have a lovely friend called Karen who is embarrassed to say her own name too.
For anyone who reads this who still uses the term, just think on how you'd feel if your own name became used in this way.

LemonTreeGrove · 14/07/2024 00:52

People who use misogynistic words have always tried to excuse it by claiming women deserve it because they behave in a negative way that men don't.

It's amazing that in 2024 there are still people who believe women are inferior to men and deserve to be called names to shame them for it.

Maybe they'll move into the modern world one day, although they probably don't have the brain cells to do so.

wtfissummer · 14/07/2024 00:57

Opine · 14/07/2024 00:25

@StSwithinsDay I am in a few minority groups. I really have far greater things to contend with.

@Catsmere Its a descriptor for a certain type of woman not any woman.

It's a "descriptor" for women who are called Karen. Thats it

resipsa · 14/07/2024 01:00

YAdefinitelyNBU. It's my name and over the last few years I have gone from saying my name without thinking to feeling awkward for no good reason. I too judge anyone who quotes 'for the Karens' or 'calm down Karen' to refer to anyone who does something with which they disagree.

ThisKookyBlueSnake · 14/07/2024 01:01

3catsandcounting · 13/07/2024 23:29

@hedgeoffressian I'm 61, know lots of Karen's of my age, and still stand by my observation of more women than men using the name as an insult.

Yes there are a lot of women from what I've seen using that name as an insult.

Saschka · 14/07/2024 01:06

There was a post earlier this evening from a woman calling her MIL a Karen for wanting to hold her grandchild. It’s completely lost any meaning it may once have had, and now just means “woman over 40 who I don’t like”.

yikesanotherbooboo · 14/07/2024 01:06

It is absolutely horrible and cringeworthy. I find it particularly jarring when a woman uses the term to , let's face it. Put down another female.

Laura36TTC · 14/07/2024 01:06

It gives me the ICK when I hear/see it being used as an insult.

The 3 Karen’s I know IRL are all lovely and must be annoyed at the misuse of their name

jamaftercream · 14/07/2024 01:53

MissTrip82 · 13/07/2024 23:29

I think it was one thing when it was used to describe deranged white people calling the police because a black person was out in public etc. But it seems to have extended to every time a middle aged woman expresses an opinion.

It interested me to see how it quickly it was removed on a thread earlier. MN lets some incredibly racist stuff stand but this and other silly insults are quick to be dealt with.

I’m not surprised your post has been completely ignored by posters unfortunately.

I have been the recipient of racial abuse and I have called the perpetrators Karen or Ken.

It’s not a term I use otherwise or on social media. But if someone is racist to me, all bets are off.

Karentoo · 14/07/2024 02:04

jamaftercream · 14/07/2024 01:53

I’m not surprised your post has been completely ignored by posters unfortunately.

I have been the recipient of racial abuse and I have called the perpetrators Karen or Ken.

It’s not a term I use otherwise or on social media. But if someone is racist to me, all bets are off.

What has the name Karen (or Ken) got to do with being racist. It's pretty upsetting having my name associated with being racist. I'm not downplaying racism at all, but why Karen?
Incidently I've never heard or seen the name Ken associated with racism, or anything else derogatory.

jamaftercream · 14/07/2024 02:09

Karentoo · 14/07/2024 02:04

What has the name Karen (or Ken) got to do with being racist. It's pretty upsetting having my name associated with being racist. I'm not downplaying racism at all, but why Karen?
Incidently I've never heard or seen the name Ken associated with racism, or anything else derogatory.

It’a not about you, it’s about me experiencing racist abuse and calling the racist Karen or Ken to answer back.

Why is your upset more important than mine, who has actually experienced the abuse from the racist?

MrsTerryPratchett · 14/07/2024 02:41

My male manager called someone a Karen in my hearing the other day. I typically like his sense of humour but this time, "no, don't ever use that misogynistic phrase in my presence".

Agist, sexist bullshit.

abracadabra1980 · 14/07/2024 02:49

I think it should be retired, and also negative references to ginger hair. It's a form of bullying and I'm neither called Karen, nor am I a red head.

downtownlights · 14/07/2024 02:49

ChoccieCornflake · 13/07/2024 23:09

It's a misogynistic insult used mostly to silence women. It's absolutely time that people got called out for using it

This!!

downtownlights · 14/07/2024 02:52

Karentoo · 14/07/2024 02:04

What has the name Karen (or Ken) got to do with being racist. It's pretty upsetting having my name associated with being racist. I'm not downplaying racism at all, but why Karen?
Incidently I've never heard or seen the name Ken associated with racism, or anything else derogatory.

Bc the insult Karen originated in the African American community to describe a certain type of entitled white suburban woman.

It has grown far beyond that as a means of belittling and silencing women and should be retired.

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