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Help rid me of this weird woman - please!

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Justcouldnotbitemytongue · 10/07/2024 15:26

Apologies this is a bit long 😬. DH & I live in a v remote & rural part of the country, we took early retirement & moved here a few years back. It’s a lovely place & we’re happy & settled. The few (distant) neighbours we have are all nice. Friendly but not too friendly IYSWIM. DH & I go out now & again to the only pub round here & it’s always a good night.

A couple of years ago Zoe & Dan (not their real names) moved here, about five miles from us. He’s ok but I struggle with her. We’re roughly the same age but we have zero in common. She’s very right wing - pro fox hunting/blood sports, hates migrants & people on benefits. She’s not the sharpest pencil in the box & boasts that she’s never read a book in her life. Also believes weird conspiracy theories she reads on Facebook. Can drive but won’t so Dan has to take her everywhere. Consequently she’s stuck in the house a lot as he works part time. We’re chalk & cheese.

She’s started to text me & ask if they can join us in the pub. Hard to say no really - it’s a pub. Plus I know she hasn’t really got anyone else round here & I do (did!) feel a bit sorry for her. Because of the geography there’s a very small pool of potential friends.

Last night was a disaster - worst ever by a mile. She seemed a bit manic/hyper when we got there. I wondered if she was on something but she just kept saying she was excited as she hadn’t been out of the house for ages. At the best of times it’s hard to have an adult conversation with her but last night was terrible. Another couple who were there left as soon as decently possible. The DH’s talk about sport & get on pretty well but it’s impossible to talk as a four which would help dilute her. She just interrupts all the time, talks over them & paws at my arm to get my attention.

I’m pretty patient, & always put forward a reasonable view to balance her almost fascist opinions. Try also to not look at my watch too much. Everything I said last night she just laughed at weirdly & loudly. I asked her what was so funny & she just kept laughing - almost hysterically. It was so embarrassing. Like being back at junior school.

Later a woman was in the pub & sat behind me. Zoe was hyper - again pawing me & saying “look, look!! That’s a man isn’t it? They’re trans aren’t they? Go on look, look now!“ I snapped (v rare) & said a bit too loudly & sharply that she was being really rude & to stop it. She literally put on a pet lip.

Fast forward to the end of the night & I said we were heading home. Why? She asked. Because it’s nearly midnight & I live there I replied. Why? She again asked. Why do I live at home or why is it midnight? Why she just repeated “why”. On a loop. Whenever I said anything she just said why. I snapped again & said FFS Zoe you’re acting like a fucking toddler. Pet lip again.

Said goodnights, she said she’d had a lovely time 🙄. Meanwhile we headed in opposite directions. Me seething.

Congratulations if you’ve got this far btw.

Anyway - I couldn’t stand another night like that. So do I say something or do I just keep dodging her & her invites until she gets the message. It’s really spoilt the nice times we used to have there but I am not wasting another evening of my life listening to her spout that rubbish. The trouble is we’re a small community & do rely on each other. I’d also rather not fall out with anyone but how do I get shot of her without doing that?? I absolutely do not want to be friends. She maybe has one other person locally who messages her occasionally but that’s it. She’s NC with two of her three children (or maybe they’re NC with her) if that’s relevant.

So come on - please give me a steer, should I start dodging her messages & making excuses or should I just tell her I don’t enjoy her company?

You are not being unreasonable - start dodging.
You are being unreasonable- just tell her straight.

OP posts:
Safaribar · 14/07/2024 11:43

I think it sounds like either she has a condition or a mental health issue. I don't think it's as simple as it sounds. You don't need to treat her like she's a baby but I do think she probably is incredibly anxious underneath the exterior. I know of a woman very similar and she's hard work but underneath she is a complete bag of nerves, which she handles by shopping to the extreme or bring manically friendly and hyper. I wouldn't deliberately act like the mean girl and leave her out of things but just tell her you and OH are just going to the pub alone sometimes for 'date' night or whatever and she'll get the hint eventually. It's the joys of small village living.

Safaribar · 14/07/2024 11:46

Grammarnut · 13/07/2024 20:48

Foxes are classified as vermin legally, as are rabbits. If you have had a fox in your henhouse you would certainly not feel that they are cuddly animals. They have been known to attack babies. Sorry to disabuse you of your happy urban view of Reynard.

You aren't using the correct gauge wire and proofing your hen house and run if foxes are getting in. It's their instinct and you are providing them with free lunch.

strawberryteacake · 14/07/2024 11:48

Safaribar · 14/07/2024 11:43

I think it sounds like either she has a condition or a mental health issue. I don't think it's as simple as it sounds. You don't need to treat her like she's a baby but I do think she probably is incredibly anxious underneath the exterior. I know of a woman very similar and she's hard work but underneath she is a complete bag of nerves, which she handles by shopping to the extreme or bring manically friendly and hyper. I wouldn't deliberately act like the mean girl and leave her out of things but just tell her you and OH are just going to the pub alone sometimes for 'date' night or whatever and she'll get the hint eventually. It's the joys of small village living.

What difference does it make if she has a "condition", diagnosed or otherwise _ OP is not a psych nurse, and it is not her job or duty to cultivate this woman who holds unpleasant views and is uncomfortable and embarrassing company.

Safaribar · 14/07/2024 11:49

NavyTurtle · 12/07/2024 02:27

Or just grow a pair and tell her to fuck off. Oh how I cannot tolerate weak people.

Having empathy isn't weak. Telling people to go away in vulgar language is weak.

strawberryteacake · 14/07/2024 12:41

Safaribar · 14/07/2024 11:49

Having empathy isn't weak. Telling people to go away in vulgar language is weak.

Where's your empathy for the OP?

Cremeroulety · 14/07/2024 12:50

strawberryteacake · 14/07/2024 11:48

What difference does it make if she has a "condition", diagnosed or otherwise _ OP is not a psych nurse, and it is not her job or duty to cultivate this woman who holds unpleasant views and is uncomfortable and embarrassing company.

Exactly and you’re not being a “mean girl” by choosing not to socialise with someone for any reason especially when that reason is partly due to them holding views you strongly disagree with and behaving in a cruel way to others.

Did you miss the part where she hates migrants and people on benefits?

This is where the whole “be kind” mantra gets abused and weaponised against women to tolerate absolute nonsense.

Nanny0gg · 14/07/2024 15:02

HelpMeRhondaMe · 11/07/2024 22:21

Pet lip ranks highly in the annoying expressions table. I'd never heard it before but the amount of times it's on this thread is some kind of 'blue sky thinking/annoying expressions' hell.

Why can't you say pouted - one word, same meaning, understood by general populus? Pet lip ffs. I hope to never hear that expression again in my life after the death of this thread.

It's an old-fashioned term that some of us grew up with.

That's why we use it.

I wish I never saw 'amount' used when it should be 'number' but these things are sent to try us

PerkyMintDeer · 14/07/2024 15:11

This is where the whole “be kind” mantra gets abused and weaponised against women to tolerate absolute nonsense.

Be Kind! Ignore your needs! Put yourself last!
Make yourself a martyr bending over backwards for everyone else then when you burn out don't ask for help because that would be needy and people have busy lives these days you emotional vampire!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 14/07/2024 16:13

Safaribar · 14/07/2024 11:46

You aren't using the correct gauge wire and proofing your hen house and run if foxes are getting in. It's their instinct and you are providing them with free lunch.

My dad once caught a squirrel coming out of the henhouse, with an egg in its paws. It looked at dad, looked down at the egg with a ‘goodness me, how did this get here?’ expression, put the egg down carefully, and scarpered.

Sorry for the derail.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 14/07/2024 16:16

HelpMeRhondaMe · 11/07/2024 22:21

Pet lip ranks highly in the annoying expressions table. I'd never heard it before but the amount of times it's on this thread is some kind of 'blue sky thinking/annoying expressions' hell.

Why can't you say pouted - one word, same meaning, understood by general populus? Pet lip ffs. I hope to never hear that expression again in my life after the death of this thread.

@HelpMeRhondaMe - it’s populace, not populus.

Trixiefirecracker · 14/07/2024 18:53

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 14/07/2024 16:13

My dad once caught a squirrel coming out of the henhouse, with an egg in its paws. It looked at dad, looked down at the egg with a ‘goodness me, how did this get here?’ expression, put the egg down carefully, and scarpered.

Sorry for the derail.

Don’t be sorry. It’s so much better than most of the drivel on here.

PepsiMaxPerfect · 14/07/2024 21:58

Trixiefirecracker · 14/07/2024 18:53

Don’t be sorry. It’s so much better than most of the drivel on here.

If U put UR mind 2 it
> U CAN accomplish ANYTHIN

alrightluv · 14/07/2024 22:39

Pet lip IS NOT the same as a pout. Pout is both lips.

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 15/07/2024 08:58

Safaribar · 14/07/2024 11:49

Having empathy isn't weak. Telling people to go away in vulgar language is weak.

Oh No Wtf GIF by LilLetsOfficial

Not - gasp - vulgar language! 😲😨 Oh my!

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 15/07/2024 09:06

I wouldn't deliberately act like the mean girl and leave her out of things but just tell her you and OH are just going to the pub alone sometimes for 'date' night or whatever and she'll get the hint eventually. It's the joys of small village living.

But there’s nothing to leave her out of. Talk of “leaving her out” and “mean girls” makes it sound like there was a big social group and that OP is trying to exclude this woman from it. It isn’t true. This is just some mad woman who OP doesn’t want to befriend. You can’t leave someone out if you had no intention of letting them in in the first place.

AutismHelp1980 · 15/07/2024 09:09

Sounds like an episode of Heartbeat

Grammarnut · 15/07/2024 09:12

HonoraryMummy · 13/07/2024 22:33

If she's right wing, it should be easy to scare her off. Tell her you're bisexual or a Hunt Saboteur / militant vegan.

Not necessarily left-wing, though all three bear the typical new left intolerance - one could call it hubris.
Anyway, the strange woman's views are not weird. Lots of people are against unfettered immigration (anyone sensible is), do not believe TWAW and are likely to point out TiMs if they see one (that's anyone who supports women's rights over trans privilege), and will support hunting with dogs (more humane that leaving animals to die lingeringly from a non-fatal wound or die in agony from poison or gassing). It's more often the people who hunt who work at protecting the countryside than the Hunt Saboteurs (who wouldn't know a wood pigeon from a herring gull in most cases). Lots of people do not read books, either, and it's not a crime (though it is a shame).
NB I have never seen a fox take a rat - but I have seen the mess they have left in a henhouse and known a vixen to set her cubs to stalk a cat.

Trapunt0 · 15/07/2024 12:19

You acquire a new and time-demanding hobby/course of study (real or imaginary) that means you'll only be able to meet once a month (insert time you can live with) so you won't cause offence with a neighbour you might need to keep inside with but you available time is severely diminished.
And yes, your evenings are taken up by catching up on what you used to do in the day/tiredness/etc
Good luck, she sounds dreadful

Cremeroulety · 15/07/2024 12:26

Why does she need to keep “inside” with her neighbour? What possible benefit do you think someone like this could bring? I can’t see her being helpful in any way.

And even if she was, is it really worth the pay off to spend time listening to her make hateful and embarrassing remarks about other groups and even people in their immediate vicinity? Perhaps you’re OK to
grit your teeth and get through that but i wouldn’t be and it doesn’t sound like OP would be either.

The idea of having even occasional meet-ups with someone who holds views you find offensive as well as acts in a very unsettling manner is absurd. She’s not even an old friend or a family member. There is no reason to entertain her any further.

ETA: a reminder of some of what OP finds unpleasant lest I get accused of exaggerating this woman’s faults :

She’s very right wing - pro fox hunting/blood sports, hates migrants & people on benefits. She’s not the sharpest pencil in the box & boasts that she’s never read a book in her life. Also believes weird conspiracy theories she reads on Facebook

letsallshareanopinion · 15/07/2024 15:08

PerkyMintDeer · 14/07/2024 15:11

This is where the whole “be kind” mantra gets abused and weaponised against women to tolerate absolute nonsense.

Be Kind! Ignore your needs! Put yourself last!
Make yourself a martyr bending over backwards for everyone else then when you burn out don't ask for help because that would be needy and people have busy lives these days you emotional vampire!

Being kind and nice is not only kind and nice but it is also by some considerable distance the path of least resistance. It does not require any burnout or matryrdoms and it can be done in an assertive way so no emotional vampires around. This applies to men and women. It is NOT a woman vs man thing.

Telling people the "truth" about themselves or being rude or dismissive IME leads to aggro and drama and stress and bad feelings and not much else.

letsallshareanopinion · 15/07/2024 15:17

Also believes weird conspiracy theories she reads on Facebook

What weird theories? Are we talking flat earth, or die Glocke, or covid related or the-moon-landings-are-fake or ?? I am just being nosy here.

Sliderswithsocks · 15/07/2024 15:21

Justcouldnotbitemytongue · 11/07/2024 14:08

Thanks for all the further responses. Will clarify a couple of further things.

First Zoe does exist. A PP implied I was making her up - I can assure them I’m not. If anything I understated her views. She’s been banned from Facebook for some of them.

I think she is very lonely & isolated. But that’s not a problem for me to solve. She could easily drop her DH off at work & continue on to the nearest big town (20 miles or so) for a coffee, shopping whatever. She chooses not to.

She also chooses not to work - it’s not because she can’t, it’s because she won’t.

Have to admit I never thought of cocaine but maybe that would explain it. I think the PPs who said it was weeks of pent up energy/emotion/conversation etc were on the money though.

Finally to the poster who said it must be great being me 🙄 well it is actually 😁.

Anyhow if anyone’s interested how things develop, I’ll post an update when there’s news.

Thank you again Mumsnetters - really appreciate the input.

I’m sure you must have an update for us by now.

Trapunt0 · 15/07/2024 15:29

Typo, I meant "inside"

Paperdolly · 15/07/2024 16:50

Grammarnut · 10/07/2024 17:34

Oh dear. We wouldn't get on either. I am a clause 4 Bennite socialist, which means I am also a Brexiteer (it goes with the territory) and back nationalisation of utilities and some transport. I support fox hunting (hunting in general, in fact, and I'm not that keen on fox hunting but hunting for food and keeping down vermin are both high on my list of useful things - and my late DH used to hunt when he was a small farmer, hares, rabbits - and to protect all you must support all, my DS like shooting (air rifles at tin cans, so nothing too lethal) and has taught his DS and DD). I think immigration needs controlling because the country I live in cannot take the weight of infrastructure needed for a population that has nearly doubled in 40 years (only 14% countryside now, according to some) and also unlimited immigration that does not support the local culture (women's rights, workers' rights, freedom of religion, rule of law and not of men, that people wear what they like, etc and don't get raped because they look like prostitutes) will destroy that culture. I am also GC, which means though I won't be pointing out loudly a TiM, I will object to him being in the ladies' loo. I don't hate people on benefits - which tends to mean one-parent families in my experience - but do think they need targetting better, e.g. all parents, working or not to get support for childcare which they can use for nurseries or SAHM, as they choose.
I don't know what sort of pencil I might be, but I suspect we might struggle to have a conversation in the pub. Or maybe not - we could discuss other things: gardening, food, Richard III (interest of mine), travel, women's rights maybe?
The point I am making is that she might not be as weird as you imagine. The other point is that you live in a rural area and people are your resource. You probably need to try to get on with her - she might share more views with your rural neighbours than you think - esp. re hunting, which tends to be a rural thing; foxes are not welcome in hen houses, nor seagulls among the lamb. They may all think you are weird. Just a thought.

Is that you OP’s ‘friend? 😳

Grammarnut · 15/07/2024 17:36

Paperdolly · 15/07/2024 16:50

Is that you OP’s ‘friend? 😳

No. I wouldn't be friends with OP, she sounds a bit intolerant for my liking.