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Help rid me of this weird woman - please!

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Justcouldnotbitemytongue · 10/07/2024 15:26

Apologies this is a bit long 😬. DH & I live in a v remote & rural part of the country, we took early retirement & moved here a few years back. It’s a lovely place & we’re happy & settled. The few (distant) neighbours we have are all nice. Friendly but not too friendly IYSWIM. DH & I go out now & again to the only pub round here & it’s always a good night.

A couple of years ago Zoe & Dan (not their real names) moved here, about five miles from us. He’s ok but I struggle with her. We’re roughly the same age but we have zero in common. She’s very right wing - pro fox hunting/blood sports, hates migrants & people on benefits. She’s not the sharpest pencil in the box & boasts that she’s never read a book in her life. Also believes weird conspiracy theories she reads on Facebook. Can drive but won’t so Dan has to take her everywhere. Consequently she’s stuck in the house a lot as he works part time. We’re chalk & cheese.

She’s started to text me & ask if they can join us in the pub. Hard to say no really - it’s a pub. Plus I know she hasn’t really got anyone else round here & I do (did!) feel a bit sorry for her. Because of the geography there’s a very small pool of potential friends.

Last night was a disaster - worst ever by a mile. She seemed a bit manic/hyper when we got there. I wondered if she was on something but she just kept saying she was excited as she hadn’t been out of the house for ages. At the best of times it’s hard to have an adult conversation with her but last night was terrible. Another couple who were there left as soon as decently possible. The DH’s talk about sport & get on pretty well but it’s impossible to talk as a four which would help dilute her. She just interrupts all the time, talks over them & paws at my arm to get my attention.

I’m pretty patient, & always put forward a reasonable view to balance her almost fascist opinions. Try also to not look at my watch too much. Everything I said last night she just laughed at weirdly & loudly. I asked her what was so funny & she just kept laughing - almost hysterically. It was so embarrassing. Like being back at junior school.

Later a woman was in the pub & sat behind me. Zoe was hyper - again pawing me & saying “look, look!! That’s a man isn’t it? They’re trans aren’t they? Go on look, look now!“ I snapped (v rare) & said a bit too loudly & sharply that she was being really rude & to stop it. She literally put on a pet lip.

Fast forward to the end of the night & I said we were heading home. Why? She asked. Because it’s nearly midnight & I live there I replied. Why? She again asked. Why do I live at home or why is it midnight? Why she just repeated “why”. On a loop. Whenever I said anything she just said why. I snapped again & said FFS Zoe you’re acting like a fucking toddler. Pet lip again.

Said goodnights, she said she’d had a lovely time 🙄. Meanwhile we headed in opposite directions. Me seething.

Congratulations if you’ve got this far btw.

Anyway - I couldn’t stand another night like that. So do I say something or do I just keep dodging her & her invites until she gets the message. It’s really spoilt the nice times we used to have there but I am not wasting another evening of my life listening to her spout that rubbish. The trouble is we’re a small community & do rely on each other. I’d also rather not fall out with anyone but how do I get shot of her without doing that?? I absolutely do not want to be friends. She maybe has one other person locally who messages her occasionally but that’s it. She’s NC with two of her three children (or maybe they’re NC with her) if that’s relevant.

So come on - please give me a steer, should I start dodging her messages & making excuses or should I just tell her I don’t enjoy her company?

You are not being unreasonable - start dodging.
You are being unreasonable- just tell her straight.

OP posts:
HungryLittleCrocodile · 12/07/2024 17:03

Noononoo · 12/07/2024 16:51

I can’t imagine anyone pawing at my arm. Except my lovely dog of course. I think the truth is the OP dislikes this woman and it doesn’t matter why, such feelings are rarely rational. just avoid her the best you can OP without humiliating her though. She obviously wants you to like her. I feel a bit sad for her.

Yeah that would give me the rage to be honest. It's toddler behaviour, pawing at someone to get their attention. Pathetic. I wouldn't have time for this behaviour to be honest, and would 100% ghost the woman. She sounds horrific!

OverheardInLidl · 12/07/2024 17:22

Foodieasfuck · 12/07/2024 13:58

I really feel for you. I had a pain in the arse ‘friend’ once. Hints didn’t work. She was relentless. Turned up if I was checked in anywhere.. constantly rang and text me. It absolutely spoilt my nights out. After trying many times to let her down gently etc etc I had no choice but to be more blunt (and we fell out)…
I was so relieved. She’s latched on to someone else now..
my advice is to set your boundaries and be firm. No matter how sorry you feel for her dont compromise your life in favour of hers! Good luck OP!

I think we may have had the same "friend" once! Mine used to get extremely jealous upset if I made plans with another friend, she absolutely hated it!

letsallshareanopinion · 12/07/2024 17:25

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 12/07/2024 16:53

OP was so upset about it afterwards she posted the whole convo on here, do you not think that was pretty time consuming?

Not really. It was a longer than average post, but still only a few paragraphs. It couldn’t have taken more than five minutes. Once it’s type, that’s it. You’re talking about pussyfooting around this woman until one of them leaves town or dies.

I don't think saying "really sorry but I just want to go to pub with DH tonight" or "really sorry but can't make it" in response to texts is pussyfooting or hard work. It is clear, honest but not making personal or judgemental or subjective comments about her or burning bridges. Would take a lot more effort to say "I think you are awful, sorry" or "we have nothing in common I think your opinions are ridiculous and your behaviour is weird" and then put up with years of awkwardness in shops, functions where they'd both be, mutual acquaintances, rumours, escalations (this is a rural community). Also, things go wrong sometimes, rurally, and both she and the other woman would be better off feeling they could pick up the phone easily in the case of a genuine emergency.

Why be personal when you can be neutral and still get the same result or better?

Anyway, my advice was "fwiw" only

HelpMeRhondaMe · 12/07/2024 17:32

@housethatbuiltme

Pet is a term of endearment not a vile word

What a stupid irrelevant point. Here it is short for petulant and it's not the word pet in a term of endearment sense.

The phrase is revolting because it's the whole thing together 'put on a pet lip' .

urggh.

Maisiesmum123 · 12/07/2024 21:18

HelpMeRhondaMe · 12/07/2024 17:32

@housethatbuiltme

Pet is a term of endearment not a vile word

What a stupid irrelevant point. Here it is short for petulant and it's not the word pet in a term of endearment sense.

The phrase is revolting because it's the whole thing together 'put on a pet lip' .

urggh.

I’m from the North East. I’m familiar with the phrase ‘pet lip’ and always thought it meant petulant as opposed to the friendly ‘pet’ short for pet lamb.

PerkyMintDeer · 12/07/2024 21:36

Now I've got intrusive mental images of someone walking a pair of lips around on a leash 😩

Venicelagoon · 12/07/2024 21:58

This thread is just amazing !! I live in a small village and there is also a person living there who is bipolar. Some of the time she's very chatty with villagers and some of the time she just confines herself to her house and gets very depressed to the point of needing to get psychiatric help. In OP's position I would just be less outwardly friendly. Or just laugh at the outlandish things said. Works for me !

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 12/07/2024 22:41

I don't think saying "really sorry but I just want to go to pub with DH tonight" or "really sorry but can't make it" in response to texts is pussyfooting or hard work.

Not the first time, maybe…

TonsleyHouse3 · 13/07/2024 07:08

Hi, would urge caution on this one, as you point out this is a tight knit community, and you have no idea how beloved by the community this lady is, as she was not always in cognitive decline.

Suggest attend walking group with Zoe, or start one and work your way into this tight knit community thus.

Good luck and enjoy your journey.

PerkyMintDeer · 13/07/2024 07:58

TonsleyHouse3 · 13/07/2024 07:08

Hi, would urge caution on this one, as you point out this is a tight knit community, and you have no idea how beloved by the community this lady is, as she was not always in cognitive decline.

Suggest attend walking group with Zoe, or start one and work your way into this tight knit community thus.

Good luck and enjoy your journey.

Cognitive decline?! There's nothing in OPs post that suggests Zoe has cognitively declined...she's not a dear old Granny with a touch of dementia, she's an obnoxious xenophobe who doesn't let anyone else get a word in, laughs at OP, sticks her bottom lip out like a 2 year old and whines "whyyyyyyy" like one when she doesn't get her own way, wanted OP to join in mocking a woman in the pub who may or may not have been trans...and so on and so forth. These are not indicators of any decline in cognitive ability.

OP says clearly in her posts that Zoe doesn't have anyone else in the way of friends so the chances of her being some sort of local treasure who's just a bit demented, like the countryside version of Barbara Windsor or something is unlikely. Far more likely that locals have distanced themselves from her as she would ruin any social gathering,

The last thing OP needs to do is start up some sort of hobby group in her downtime with someone who has treated her so rudely and made her feel so deeply uncomfortable. That would be masochistic to say the least. Not everyone deserves to be a friend.

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 13/07/2024 09:12

Hi, would urge caution on this one, as you point out this is a tight knit community, and you have no idea how beloved by the community this lady is, as she was not always in cognitive decline.

OP makes it quite clear in her opening post that this woman only moved to the area a couple of years ago!

CharlotteLightandDark · 13/07/2024 09:31

I’ve always suspected villages were full of right wing socially awkward types, I can’t say I don’t get tempted by the idea occasionally but think the city sounds safer!

Trixiefirecracker · 13/07/2024 09:34

CharlotteLightandDark · 13/07/2024 09:31

I’ve always suspected villages were full of right wing socially awkward types, I can’t say I don’t get tempted by the idea occasionally but think the city sounds safer!

Don’t be ridiculous. There’s a mix of people just like everywhere else, just that it’s a smaller pond but perfectly easy to find likeminded people you click with.

OverheardInLidl · 13/07/2024 10:16

Trixiefirecracker · 13/07/2024 09:34

Don’t be ridiculous. There’s a mix of people just like everywhere else, just that it’s a smaller pond but perfectly easy to find likeminded people you click with.

Actually from my own experience the poster is right. Small towns and villages tend to have far less diversity and they have few people of different ethnicities and cultures living there, so the people often do tend to have a certain level of ignorance and/or hostility towards people who are different. The larger towns and cities have a larger mix of different people so you'll find less of those attitudes.

strawberryteacake · 13/07/2024 10:21

TonsleyHouse3 · 13/07/2024 07:08

Hi, would urge caution on this one, as you point out this is a tight knit community, and you have no idea how beloved by the community this lady is, as she was not always in cognitive decline.

Suggest attend walking group with Zoe, or start one and work your way into this tight knit community thus.

Good luck and enjoy your journey.

This woman is rude, obnoxious, bigoted, a fan of fox hunting, socially unaware, lacks cognisance of basic boundaries, pawing at the OP, etc - I find it highly unlikely she is "beloved by the community".

And she only moved there recently, anyway.

Trixiefirecracker · 13/07/2024 10:29

OverheardInLidl · 13/07/2024 10:16

Actually from my own experience the poster is right. Small towns and villages tend to have far less diversity and they have few people of different ethnicities and cultures living there, so the people often do tend to have a certain level of ignorance and/or hostility towards people who are different. The larger towns and cities have a larger mix of different people so you'll find less of those attitudes.

I actually don’t believe that’s true, our village is just a microcosm of a larger town or city. You get right wing people sure but people are from all walks of life. No hostility towards gay people living round here or the people of different ethnicities. Like I said pool is smaller so more noticeable maybe but not massively different from anywhere else.

OverheardInLidl · 13/07/2024 11:26

Trixiefirecracker · 13/07/2024 10:29

I actually don’t believe that’s true, our village is just a microcosm of a larger town or city. You get right wing people sure but people are from all walks of life. No hostility towards gay people living round here or the people of different ethnicities. Like I said pool is smaller so more noticeable maybe but not massively different from anywhere else.

OK but your village is an exception, not the rule

GalileoHumpkins · 13/07/2024 12:28

TonsleyHouse3 · 13/07/2024 07:08

Hi, would urge caution on this one, as you point out this is a tight knit community, and you have no idea how beloved by the community this lady is, as she was not always in cognitive decline.

Suggest attend walking group with Zoe, or start one and work your way into this tight knit community thus.

Good luck and enjoy your journey.

What are you talking about?
Is Zoe now a 90 year old dementia sufferer who wonders the village in her nightgown while everyone smiles indulgently and gently leads her back home while thinking what a shame, she is so beloved by us all?
This thread is bonkers.

CharlotteLightandDark · 13/07/2024 12:46

My partner is of asian heritage and we have had people staring/acting a bit hostile when on holiday in rural places, so it’s good to hear that your village has plenty of diversity. I always think we’d get Slaughtered Lamb vibes walking into a village local!

AnnieSnap · 13/07/2024 13:33

Fair enough @HelpMeRhondaMe but ‘gotten’ was also used in old English. It hasn’t been used in more recent times in British English until it was re-imported from the US in recent years. I guess we must accept that language end and flows.

Bobbie1976 · 13/07/2024 13:56

lightisnotwhite · 11/07/2024 20:32

Fox hunting with hounds is illegal so there is no pro fox hunting.

Thank you!

HelpMeRhondaMe · 13/07/2024 13:57

the turn this thread has taken about diversity has made me think of Royston Vasey and Tubs ' a local shop for local people, there's nothing for you here'

Bobbie1976 · 13/07/2024 14:04

Grammarnut · 10/07/2024 17:34

Oh dear. We wouldn't get on either. I am a clause 4 Bennite socialist, which means I am also a Brexiteer (it goes with the territory) and back nationalisation of utilities and some transport. I support fox hunting (hunting in general, in fact, and I'm not that keen on fox hunting but hunting for food and keeping down vermin are both high on my list of useful things - and my late DH used to hunt when he was a small farmer, hares, rabbits - and to protect all you must support all, my DS like shooting (air rifles at tin cans, so nothing too lethal) and has taught his DS and DD). I think immigration needs controlling because the country I live in cannot take the weight of infrastructure needed for a population that has nearly doubled in 40 years (only 14% countryside now, according to some) and also unlimited immigration that does not support the local culture (women's rights, workers' rights, freedom of religion, rule of law and not of men, that people wear what they like, etc and don't get raped because they look like prostitutes) will destroy that culture. I am also GC, which means though I won't be pointing out loudly a TiM, I will object to him being in the ladies' loo. I don't hate people on benefits - which tends to mean one-parent families in my experience - but do think they need targetting better, e.g. all parents, working or not to get support for childcare which they can use for nurseries or SAHM, as they choose.
I don't know what sort of pencil I might be, but I suspect we might struggle to have a conversation in the pub. Or maybe not - we could discuss other things: gardening, food, Richard III (interest of mine), travel, women's rights maybe?
The point I am making is that she might not be as weird as you imagine. The other point is that you live in a rural area and people are your resource. You probably need to try to get on with her - she might share more views with your rural neighbours than you think - esp. re hunting, which tends to be a rural thing; foxes are not welcome in hen houses, nor seagulls among the lamb. They may all think you are weird. Just a thought.

@Grammarnut you sound hideous. And foxes are not ‘vermin’. Maybe look at yourself?

HelpMeRhondaMe · 13/07/2024 14:26

@Grammarnut you sound hideous. And foxes are not ‘vermin’. Maybe look at yourself?

@Bobbie1976 what is the point of such an offensive post? Why would you say someone sounds 'hideous' just because you disagree with them? and 'maybe look at yourself' is a very silly and childish thing to write to someone who obviously has views they have thought about.

Some people think foxes are vermin. Some people think fox hunting is fun.
Some people think foxes are beautiful wildlife. Some people think fox hunting is cruel.

Some people are capitalists. Some people are socialists.

People disagree. Reasonable people disagree.

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 13/07/2024 14:34

Bobbie1976 · 13/07/2024 13:56

Thank you!

But it’s not true. Fox hunting being illegal doesn’t mean there are no people in favour of it!