How likely are PIP vouchers now labour are in?

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Just as the title says really.

It doesn't affect me as I don't claim any benefits and work full time however my son and mother are on PIP and I'm not sure how vouchers would work for them and I'm a little bit worried.

I know there is previous threads on this but I can't see any being mentioned now labour is in.

Is it worth worrying about or is it a wait and see what happens situation?

Thanks all.

I fit the criteria. I was just wondering if the pp thought I should

I just think the Pp was trying to make the point that you can have a disability but not fit the criteria according to the PIP assessment ?

@Rainbowsponge I don't think you were born yesterday but I do think you've made some ablist and offensive statements on this thread. The rate of fraudulent PIP claims was only 0.4% in a recent government, but don't let facts get in the way of prejudice eh.

Long term they need to do something about benefits because the current system is broken with many people in desperate need not getting sufficient but others managing to live extravagant lifestyles because of how they work. But I don't think it's a priority for them, I wouldn't expect anything for at least a couple of years.

I want to see mental health issues being taken seriously

As a disabled woman I’m entitled to my own opinion on this matter outside of the groupthink, without being patronised with ‘internalised ableism’. Anyway what we think is irrelevant - the welfare bill is so high even labour acknowledge it’s completely unsustainable. What will it take for posters to face up to this?

Why target disabled people? We seem to be the ones constantly targeted for costing the government too much.

@Rainbowsponge as you so clearly demonstrate, it's clearly possible for a disabled person to be ablist. Doesn't make it OK to be ablist though.

Yes,it infuriates me when I see what some people are trying to claim for I have to scroll past and bite my tongue 🤣
I also think some people are on the page to get tips about what to write but I digress...

There have always been people like this but really the days are gone where you submit the form and get awarded only on what you wrote.

I had to go to tribunal for one of my children even though her care needs are very significant for her age. I didn't need to submit any extra evidence to what I sent in the first place (diagnosis and school reports) so it's interesting that the original decision was overturned when it was being assessed by a doctor.

Only if the attempt is considered 'serious' enough.

It’s because disabled people continually hear the message that they are a drain on society. We should all shuffle into a corner and not expect any kind of level playing field. We should try not to be a burden.

The problem, of course is that a lot of us don’t even realise how much easier life is for people without disabilities because it’s the only lens we have. I realise that’s not the same for everyone.

It’s Tory ideological punishments. I don’t think Labour stand for that sort of thing.

Absolutely the idea was an ideological punishment of the vulnerable. Labour certainly do stand for ideological punishments but they don't target the poorest and most vulnerable. Their ideological punishments will target the comfortably off middle and upper-middle classes who arr better able to weather such attacks.

PIP is bloody difficult to get already. My capacity to be active, earn, and look after myself has massively reduced from what used to be normal for me but I am not disabled enough to qualify I just have to put up with a world much narrower and less accessible than it used to be. Vouchers are a stupid idea and Labour will not be stupid enough to proceed with it.

Posters are aware of this, and several knowledgeable posters have been suggesting for ages how the bill could be reduced on these threads. Maybe if they worked for the Government that implements these policies, we would see an improvement.

I realise that ,I also went to tribunal to get HRM under SMI for my son and won ,I just find really annoying when peoplextry and claim for the flimisiest of reasons and then get annoyed when they get no where with it.

Well Labour are in now so you won’t be able to blame the Tories for much longer. They provided a useful (and useless) scapegoat for years so we don’t have to face up to the fact we’re broke.

Well Labour are in now so you won’t be able to blame the Tories for much longer. They provided a useful (and useless) scapegoat for years so we don’t have to face up to the fact we’re broke.

Well Labour are in now so you won’t be able to blame the Tories for much longer. They provided a useful (and useless) scapegoat for years so we don’t have to face up to the fact we’re broke.

That isn’t what this article, or the study it refers to, says?

The PIP system is already online. I completed my application form online, and did my interview via Teams online. People have a choice to have a paper form or complete online.

I do agree though, there are high inconsistencies, I work with several young people with disabilities, and the amounts they get seem to in no way reflect their needs.

@Rainbowsponge so good you had to say it three times? If the country is broke, it isn't down to disabled people trying to, you know, live. Especially finances are squeezed (but there was always money for Tory chums).

Arrgh should say "even if finances are squeezed"

I completed this too but it is a consultation started by the Tories. I don't think labour will introduce vouchers but I do hope they look at the whole PIP system as it's a mess.
Labour have said they will continue with looking at scrapping the work capability assessment.

This and I see it with adults too. People just putting in claims for ridiculous reasons without even studying the actual criteria. It just clogs up the system for those who genuinely qualify and for whom it then takes months to get the help they need.

Unfortunately not, @Bushmillsbabe. It's mad really.

You can only apply for PIP online in some areas. You’ll need to check your postcode when you start your application.

From Gov.uk ^^

People can remain on LCWRA and not be re-assessed for many months even years after starting to work.

And only if you can engage with the support offered. Ds2 attempted suicide 3 years ago. Camhs assessed him, he couldn't talk to them and got upset when they tried. So he was discharged with a leaflet.

The thing that annoys me is the people who say they are entitled to PIP/DLA/activities for disabled children etc but they don't claim it because they don't need it. And they say I should do the same because by claiming dla for my dc I am the reason why the government hasn't got any money. The thing is they haven't applied for dla for their dc so they might not get it anyway. And their dc go to mainstream activities that my dc can't go to.