How likely are PIP vouchers now labour are in?

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Just as the title says really.

It doesn't affect me as I don't claim any benefits and work full time however my son and mother are on PIP and I'm not sure how vouchers would work for them and I'm a little bit worried.

I know there is previous threads on this but I can't see any being mentioned now labour is in.

Is it worth worrying about or is it a wait and see what happens situation?

Thanks all.

@NettleTea gave some examples above. But it’s very much case by case dependent.

Yep.

Nothing to do with this. A diagnosis doesn’t make someone eligible, and not having one doesn’t render someone ineligible. What PIP looks for is evidence of need. A diagnostic assessment report can be part of that evidence but that goes for any assessment of need, whether or not the outcome is diagnosis.

I didn’t say that support is given with a diagnosis. I said that it’s usually needed. Which isn’t the same thing.

It’s literally been reported that this is a big factor in the rise.

Yes and you get it from the NHS and legal protections in the workplace.

By whom?

Have they ?
I'm on a Facebook group for children with DLA
Everyday I see posters putting in claims for very tenuous reasons ,with no evidence etc but they are usually the ones complaining they haven't been awarded. .

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@Rainbowsponge what do you mean by public degeneration in your comment "And frankly it makes me see how we reached this sorry state of terminal economic decline and public degeneration to start with."
Does having a disability make me part of this degeneration?
Or are some disabilities deserving, and some undeserving?
Who gets to decide?

Oooh am I a part of this degenerate public... always wanted to be in a gang ... Degenerate Disabledz Unite...

Ahh the idea of reforming PIP a benefit designed to reform DLA, that hasn't actually finished doing that yet...

What fun.

mental illness is not the same as Neurodiversity.

MH has exploded after covid and increased again due to austerity / poverty and lack of access to MH support. Now as an adult you literally need to attempt and fail at suicide to get on the list. My sister is terribly mentally unwell, cripplingly so, and has been trying for 3 years to access help, but she does not meet the threshold.My dad tried to top himself and he has help. When my daughter asked for help she was refused.
A raise in people with MH issues is bound to happen if they are left to themselves to cope, and a raise in people unable to work and needing support is obviously going to follow

That’s not for you to judge. You clearly don’t understand that disabilities cost extra money in various ways.

No but it is for me to contribute with my opinion as you are doing.

But yes, I would agree that maybe not so many people would need to claim if the NHS was properly funded as it should be.

If PIP assessors had a clue what they were doing then that would probably save a considerable amount of money. DD's assessor quite clearly hadn't read the paperwork in any detail. That was obvious from some of the questions she was asking me. She had never heard of DD's condition and had not even bothered to Google it.

DD's condition will never improve, it may actually get worse but still she will have to be reassessed and we will have to submit the same evidence again when her award runs out. Easier access to medical treatment will make no difference. She is getting all the medical treatment relevant to her condition at the moment.

She will never live independently.

Yes I agree that PIP needs looking at but not so that vouchers can be handed out. The whole system needs to be improved. It is all very well saying that disabled people will be helped into the workplace. You need to find employers willing to make the relevant adjustments for them and you only have to look at some of the threads on here to see how that pisses off other employees.

You really can judge a society by the way it treats its weakest members and I don't just means in terms of the benefits and help available from the state but also the attitude of some of the public, again quite clearly illustrated on some threads on Mumsnet.

@x2boys you're right about DLA or PIP currently being available for whatever the recipient needs. I use DS's for activities that get him out and socialising and keeping fit. These could maybe be accessed with vouchers. But the time I need to meet him from school and get him to these activities (and therefore lost earnings as I'm not working then) can't. There is just no childcare for older kids with disabilities so I have to do it myself (lone parent so no-one to tag team with either). I do what I can work wise and try to earn our living but his DLA is a lifeline for him at the moment.

How disabled is disabled 'enough' in your opinion?

This makes my blood boil
Labour are going to review the green paper which was initiated by Rishi due on 23rd of July.. I submitted the form
I can't see how it would even work
I have CP so my needs vary
I might need a mobility or daily living aid
One month, pay for taxis another
buy easy to put on clothes or pre chopped vegetables or chicken for another
Who would even accept the voucher?
Can't choose food from a catalogue
Lastly How fucking insulting!

Going by the PIP criteria it's usually if someone needs assistance with self care ,cleaning ,making meals etc and help to travel .

Think we’re on the same group. The amount of people complaining had me worried that my own children wouldn’t be entitled initially, until it’s put on paper with a dissertation of medical evidence. I do t think people (who are thinking of applying or otherwise) realise the level of work it takes to apply for and then get DLA for their children. Never mind recognising just how disabled your child is when you’ve written it all out which really takes it toll on you as a parent.

Its the same in the pip groups. Some ask what to write to get an award.

Yes,it infuriates me when I see what some people are trying to claim for I have to scroll past and bite my tongue 🤣
I also think some people are on the page to get tips about what to write but I digress...

That never happens according to posters on here, even if you’ve seen it with your own eyes…! Do they think we were born yesterday.

I get PIP and I’ve filled in the consultation.

There are ways they could save money. They could stop reviewing people who have had their legs amputated, or who are like me who over 10yrs ago sent in a letter from my consultant saying I will never get better. My case is under review atm, I’ve sent in 497 pieces of medical evidence. How long do you think it will take them to go through that? It took me a week to produce. It’s madness.