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To want to write to the governors about my DD's suspension?

265 replies

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 11:47

I'm looking for a bit of help. Last week my 12 yo DD was suspended from school for half a day. She has autism and struggles. She didn't want me to leave her and was crying and clinging to me. I tried to get her to go with a member of staff for half an hour but she wouldn't. So the head teacher had to suspend her and send her home. They said I can write a statement to the governors. Does anyone know what I need to say? Is just that it was due to her ASD?

Also if the headteacher keeps suspending her can she be expelled? This is the one and only time she has ever been suspended but it just got me worried.

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Myblindsaredown · 08/07/2024 13:17

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:13

Yes. She wasn't causing a massive scene or affecting anyone else. We were actually in a room and the learning mentor and myself were trying to talk to her. But she didn't want to go with her learning mentor and they can't just send her home so they suspended her.

And do you disagree with this, it’s hard to tell whay you’re acrually thinking. Did you feel they should have done something different?

Myblindsaredown · 08/07/2024 13:17

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:16

That's good to know!

They suspended her for not following instructions. It's strict but reasonable. Not one of these ridiculous schools.

I did take her home and was then emailed the suspension notice!

Ok that’s different to what you wrote before, which was she refused to go in.

GeneralMusings · 08/07/2024 13:18

Please speak to Sendiass in your area who are able to advise you (free).

This isn't okay.

GeneralMusings · 08/07/2024 13:18

(pa I also like not fine in school)

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:19

Sorry to add to that her attendance is low so I have them on my back about that hence me not wanting to take her home and get another absence. They said they'd suspend her, so I said fine and took her home.

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TwattyMcFuckFace · 08/07/2024 13:20

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:19

Sorry to add to that her attendance is low so I have them on my back about that hence me not wanting to take her home and get another absence. They said they'd suspend her, so I said fine and took her home.

Are you saying they offered to let you take her home without suspension but you didn't want to affect her poor attendance, or have I misunderstood?

Apologies if I have.

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:23

VickyEadieofThigh · 08/07/2024 12:20

It sounds - though I'm sure the OP will give us further information - like the OP left her DD with staff and she then refused to do as she was asked. It's hard to know what else they could have done, though I wouldn't have let the parent simply leave a child in such distress and non-compliance in the first place.

I hadn't left her I was there the whole time. And yes, in the moment it was difficult to know what to do. She needed to come home. She had a nap and some relaxation at home and we did a bit of work they gave us. It actually did her the world of good. She was much happier the next day. I think part of it is she gets so tired.

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ElecticBetty · 08/07/2024 13:23

Myblindsaredown · 08/07/2024 13:16

But that’s not what they did. Either you’ve misunderstood or didn’t read it.

the child refused to go on, the op spent 30 mins trying in an anti room, and she refused, so they suspended for half a day so she could go home as it’s the only way they can allow her to go home.

So, if she went into school, vomited everywhere - she wouldn’t be allowed to go home unless she was suspended?

Ellie56 · 08/07/2024 13:26

@UndertheCedartree

Head teachers can only exclude for disciplinary reasons. Anything else amounts to unlawful exclusion.

https://www.ipsea.org.uk/pages/category/exclusion-from-school

It sounds like the school is not meeting your child's needs, so they need to start putting support and reasonable adjustments in place as they are legally required to do. If necessary they need to seek professional advice. Sending her home is not an option, as this is unlawful exclusion. I would be making this very clear to the governors too.

https://www.ipsea.org.uk/advice-on-writing-written-representations-to-the-governors

Refer to the Statutory Guidance

"It would be unlawful to exclude a pupil simply because they have SEN or a disability that the school feels it is unable to meet.." Page 16.

I see you have already applied for an EHCNA. Use this incident as evidence that the school is unable to meet needs.

Information here if your child is unable to attend school:

https://www.ipsea.org.uk/school-anxiety

School anxiety

We regularly advise and support families whose school-aged children are unable to access education because of anxiety or similar difficulties – very often associated with the child’s SEN. This was previously called ‘school refusal’ but is also more acc...

https://www.ipsea.org.uk/school-anxiety

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:28

HcbSS · 08/07/2024 12:20

Definitely think more context is needed:
Does she have a formal diagnosis and EHCP/support worker?
Was this the first time she has done this?
Was she 'just crying' or was it a full on screaming fit in the reception area?
Is it a state or private school (policies will change)
Was she verbally or physically abusive to the staff while they were trying to reason with her.

Very difficult situation OP.

She has a formal diagnosis of ASD. She doesn't have an EHCP or 1:1 LSA but there is always an LSA in her class.

No, it's not the first time but this was the most extreme. We did have a similar situation in her first term where she had a complete meltdown but did go up to Learning support where she fell asleep and after an hour they asked me to pick her up.

So we were in a room off reception. She started off crying and raising her voice a bit but we managed to calm her down but she still didn't want to go with her learning mentor.

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UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:29

Sorry, it is a state school. She was not abusive.

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chaosmaker · 08/07/2024 13:31

If she's really tired all the time, might there be another underlying medical issue?

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:32

sunflowerdaisyrose · 08/07/2024 12:23

My daughter has been marked sick if she can't attend due to mental health/autism, I'm shocked she was suspended!

I'm having problems with them due to attendance!

Was this when your DD had physically gone into school?

The more I think about it, maybe it should have been an authorised absence as they could clearly see she was in no fit state!

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UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:35

Notamum12345577 · 08/07/2024 12:23

They suspended her for crying and being upset?! Or did they just send her home? There is a difference, suspension is for bad behaviour etc, and it doesn’t sound like she was badly behaved.

I'm wondering if they should have sent her home as mentally unwell, really.

They can't just send her home aside from that unless they suspend her. They said it was a health and safety issue due to her not following instructions. She wasn't badly behaved. She's just autistic.

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GiveItAGoMalcom · 08/07/2024 13:35

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:19

Sorry to add to that her attendance is low so I have them on my back about that hence me not wanting to take her home and get another absence. They said they'd suspend her, so I said fine and took her home.

So you left them with no choice but to suspend her because you didn't want to take her home?

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:35

Arewealljustloosingtheplot · 08/07/2024 12:23

I don’t understand on what basis a suspension was needed? What is dd being punished for?

It was for health and safety. She wasn't being punished.

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TwattyMcFuckFace · 08/07/2024 13:36

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:35

I'm wondering if they should have sent her home as mentally unwell, really.

They can't just send her home aside from that unless they suspend her. They said it was a health and safety issue due to her not following instructions. She wasn't badly behaved. She's just autistic.

They could have marked her down as a school refusal.

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:36

Myblindsaredown · 08/07/2024 12:24

Sounds like they did it as an act of kindness as she was school refusing, so had to go home. I’m not sure what you expected them to do?

The thread isn't about what I expected them to do it's about what I should write to the governors.

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Arewealljustloosingtheplot · 08/07/2024 13:36

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:35

It was for health and safety. She wasn't being punished.

I have been in this situation more times than I can count and the school never ever have suspended her!! It’s absolutely bloody outrageous! Absolutely write to the governors - that school is a disgrace!

NewASDMum · 08/07/2024 13:38

We have similar issues with our child and they have never been suspended. They allow us to take them home if they are too distressed and keep in touch throughout the day. Some days they manage to get in later. My child had an awful mental breakdown this morning and didn’t go in. Pastoral care told us not to worry about school in that moment, to try to get them in later if we could, but mental health was more important than school. My child came out of whatever he was processing, definitely in flight mode, and went to sleep. I’ll check tomorrow what it has been marked down as.

UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:41

Noname99 · 08/07/2024 12:37

School’s can not just ‘send some one home.’ The only reasons schools can send a child home is if they are ill or if they suspend them. Autism / ADHD etc is not an illness. For those saying that their child’s head teacher has sent the child home and authorised it as illness due to ‘mental health’ that’s skirting very close to an illegal exclusion and I’ve supported several head teachers who have done this with the best of intentions and then, further down the line, when the problem has got worse had parents turn round and accuse them of “doing nothing and just sending him/her home” and then suddenly the head finds themself in the middle of an investigation for illegal exclusion.

Your head has done the right thing. If your child refused or couldn’t regulate themselves to be able to come into school then they should be suspended. That’s not the same as ‘blaming’ the child for this if it is due to a condition. If it happens multiple times then that can be used as evidence for additional support and you can work with the school to determine what that looks like. Ultimately if the additional support doesn’t work then it’s evidence for a needs assessment. If they've already got an EHCP then this is a new behaviour and barrier and if it continues the EHCP should be reviewed and additional support added. Suspensions are often a way to get additional support rather than always a bad thing. And they are transparent as you will have a letter saying why and you should now be offered a meeting about how the school can support you and your child moving forward. I’d spend my time doing that rather than arguing the toss with governors about a half day suspension,

Edited

They'd wanted to illegally exclude her but I'd pointed out they couldn't. And of course it would have been marked as another absence.

ASD is not an illness but the related anxiety is. She was in no fit state for school due to her mental illness so I'm thinking of making that clear to the Governors.

To be clear I'm not specifically seeing the suspension as a good or bad thing. I'm just thinking what I need to say to the governors about it.

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UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:43

Noname99 · 08/07/2024 12:37

School’s can not just ‘send some one home.’ The only reasons schools can send a child home is if they are ill or if they suspend them. Autism / ADHD etc is not an illness. For those saying that their child’s head teacher has sent the child home and authorised it as illness due to ‘mental health’ that’s skirting very close to an illegal exclusion and I’ve supported several head teachers who have done this with the best of intentions and then, further down the line, when the problem has got worse had parents turn round and accuse them of “doing nothing and just sending him/her home” and then suddenly the head finds themself in the middle of an investigation for illegal exclusion.

Your head has done the right thing. If your child refused or couldn’t regulate themselves to be able to come into school then they should be suspended. That’s not the same as ‘blaming’ the child for this if it is due to a condition. If it happens multiple times then that can be used as evidence for additional support and you can work with the school to determine what that looks like. Ultimately if the additional support doesn’t work then it’s evidence for a needs assessment. If they've already got an EHCP then this is a new behaviour and barrier and if it continues the EHCP should be reviewed and additional support added. Suspensions are often a way to get additional support rather than always a bad thing. And they are transparent as you will have a letter saying why and you should now be offered a meeting about how the school can support you and your child moving forward. I’d spend my time doing that rather than arguing the toss with governors about a half day suspension,

Edited

And sorry, where did I say I was going to 'argue the toss' with the governors?

I've been asked to make a statement and I'm asking what to include!!

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UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:44

TwattyMcFuckFace · 08/07/2024 12:49

Surely this would go down as 'school refusal' rather than a suspension?

Did she lash out at the member of staff while she was upset OP?

No she didn't lash out.

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UndertheCedartree · 08/07/2024 13:45

purplepandas · 08/07/2024 13:12

I would also have a look at the Not Fine in School group (have found that invaluable, particularly the FB page). I am sorry things are tricky (my daughter is also autistic). https://notfineinschool.co.uk/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR1oyPJbUfmeut-CtEHvRNN9X1G1r4kg4Uxapm3cvrm1nXPOO6_zdIlrrzs_aem_BOBF8SFiSf8IfJZbaYaqHQ

Thank you

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GeneralMusings · 08/07/2024 13:46

Again Google sendiass and your area.

They're set up to advise and found these types of situations and do so regularly
More so than random mumsnetters.

This is going to be a bigger issue than writing a letter.