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To actually feel sorry for the woman driving the car in the Wimbledon car accident

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bagpuss90 · 06/07/2024 16:44

I’m sure I’ll be flamed here . I totally sympathise with the bereaved parents- I can’t stress that enough. I can understand them wanting justice . As we know the driver of the car suffered an epileptic seizure at the wheel - she had no history of epilepsy. I don’t see what she could have done differently. She has to live with what she did although it wasn’t her fault. AIBU to feel quite sorry for her ?

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spikeandbuffy · 08/07/2024 19:35

I can't see any other reason than she had a seizure

If she was on her phone, hit the wrong pedal, got distracted then you would have tried to swerve even last minute to avoid hitting

The only real reason is that it was a seizure and she was unconscious hence going in a straight line probably because her foot jammed down on the pedal

It's happened before with people having seizures, strokes, heart attacks and it'll happen again because we are human

Daftasabroom · 08/07/2024 20:05

@letsgoooo you're right I definitely differentiate between "she killed the children" and "the children were killed when struck by an out of control vehicle".

Some people seem to desperately need someone to blame or to scapegoat, I think that's really unhealthy.

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:14

spikeandbuffy · 08/07/2024 19:35

I can't see any other reason than she had a seizure

If she was on her phone, hit the wrong pedal, got distracted then you would have tried to swerve even last minute to avoid hitting

The only real reason is that it was a seizure and she was unconscious hence going in a straight line probably because her foot jammed down on the pedal

It's happened before with people having seizures, strokes, heart attacks and it'll happen again because we are human

I think the families aren't happy that it's been "proven" she didn't know she shouldn't have been driving. Whether that's becuase they have genuine cause for suspicion or becuase they haven't seen the evidence, I don't know.

Perhaps the fact she needed the best solicitors in the land to prove what you'd think would be straightforward, has raised suspicions.

letsgoooo · 08/07/2024 20:26

@Floppysock

Perhaps the fact she needed the best solicitors in the land to prove what you'd think would be straightforward, has raised suspicions.
If you had a seizure and you had money wouldn't you get the best representation you could?

InterIgnis · 08/07/2024 20:30

Regardless of anyone’s distaste for her vehicle, she wasn’t committing a crime by driving it. Unfortunately she had a seizure, without warning, and this led to her losing control of the car and the girls being killed. A freak accident. Sometimes there isn’t anyone to blame or punish, and this is one of those occasions.

InterIgnis · 08/07/2024 20:32

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:14

I think the families aren't happy that it's been "proven" she didn't know she shouldn't have been driving. Whether that's becuase they have genuine cause for suspicion or becuase they haven't seen the evidence, I don't know.

Perhaps the fact she needed the best solicitors in the land to prove what you'd think would be straightforward, has raised suspicions.

Why would hiring the best solicitors you could afford ‘raise suspicions’? Most people would do that, guilty or innocent.

The families are not entitled to her medical records.

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:43

InterIgnis · 08/07/2024 20:32

Why would hiring the best solicitors you could afford ‘raise suspicions’? Most people would do that, guilty or innocent.

The families are not entitled to her medical records.

Edited

As I said, I don't know why they have suspicions, but they do and they were apparently kept informed throughout the investigation.

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:44

I think if it was "just" the families unhappy, it would be reasonable to think they're struggling without someone to blame, but the 2 heads from the school also aren't happy with the investigation.

Whatever the reason, a review seems appropriate.

Emilyontmoor · 08/07/2024 20:46

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:14

I think the families aren't happy that it's been "proven" she didn't know she shouldn't have been driving. Whether that's becuase they have genuine cause for suspicion or becuase they haven't seen the evidence, I don't know.

Perhaps the fact she needed the best solicitors in the land to prove what you'd think would be straightforward, has raised suspicions.

This came up in the case I was involved with. If he was genuine why did he engage a solicitor before his interview with the Met? Completely dismissed.

if you live in London you know from your own, or the experience of others, that you get the best legal representation you can afford, especially if you are black or a woman. It has been widely exposed but I can give a long list of the misogyny and racism I have encountered, both working with them and in other encounters. Including alleging that my neighbour was likely guilty of all the allegations her neighbour upstairs who was in her 40s and had a child had made because (with a nod and a wink) “ well she is a single 30 with a cat and time on her hands, probably jealous” It was actually very much the other way round, and with the help of recordings we had already provided evidence to Social Services of child abuse.

We have seen the snobbery and stereotyping on here. It would definitely be in the arsenal of the Met.

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:48

Emilyontmoor · 08/07/2024 20:46

This came up in the case I was involved with. If he was genuine why did he engage a solicitor before his interview with the Met? Completely dismissed.

if you live in London you know from your own, or the experience of others, that you get the best legal representation you can afford, especially if you are black or a woman. It has been widely exposed but I can give a long list of the misogyny and racism I have encountered, both working with them and in other encounters. Including alleging that my neighbour was likely guilty of all the allegations her neighbour upstairs who was in her 40s and had a child had made because (with a nod and a wink) “ well she is a single 30 with a cat and time on her hands, probably jealous” It was actually very much the other way round, and with the help of recordings we had already provided evidence to Social Services of child abuse.

We have seen the snobbery and stereotyping on here. It would definitely be in the arsenal of the Met.

I'm not saying they're right, I'm saying it could be one of the reasons they have suspicions.

SocoBateVira · 08/07/2024 20:52

Perhaps the fact she needed the best solicitors in the land to prove what you'd think would be straightforward, has raised suspicions.

It evidently has, but that's because the people having their suspicions raised aren't very sensible or well informed.

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:54

SocoBateVira · 08/07/2024 20:52

Perhaps the fact she needed the best solicitors in the land to prove what you'd think would be straightforward, has raised suspicions.

It evidently has, but that's because the people having their suspicions raised aren't very sensible or well informed.

The parents and 2 headteachers?

Emilyontmoor · 08/07/2024 20:54

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:44

I think if it was "just" the families unhappy, it would be reasonable to think they're struggling without someone to blame, but the 2 heads from the school also aren't happy with the investigation.

Whatever the reason, a review seems appropriate.

Of course they aren’t. They held two dying pupils in their arms. They were not able to keep them safe. They run an expensive private school that will forever be associated with this rather than their previous reputation for good pastoral care. They have expressed their trauma that they were not able to keep them safe. They are in no better emotional shape to accept it was an accident than the parents, especially as the Met have failed to communicate with them about what they were doing, and haven’t even interviewed them which would be some sort of catharsis. As I said before they have only expressed dissatisfaction with the Met, not raised any suspicions about the driver.

Sirine1708 · 08/07/2024 21:08

What I was thinking this evening - if a person will be having a seizure in Wimbledon, they highly likely will be well off and in a SUV or Tesla just because it's a decent % of population there. So it might be not poor driving skills/arrogance after all but a genuine ill fortune.

WhistPie · 08/07/2024 21:22

Sirine1708 · 08/07/2024 21:08

What I was thinking this evening - if a person will be having a seizure in Wimbledon, they highly likely will be well off and in a SUV or Tesla just because it's a decent % of population there. So it might be not poor driving skills/arrogance after all but a genuine ill fortune.

People without money, in ordinary cars are allowed to drive through Wimbledon Village you know - it's public roads

WhistPie · 08/07/2024 21:24

ThePerkyDuck · 08/07/2024 17:25

Based on the article the families asked the question to the police and they didn’t reply to them. What does MN have to do with that article?

Because the half wits who post on here are speculating and saying the police should respond - I take it you haven't read most of this thread?

Sirine1708 · 08/07/2024 21:30

WhistPie · 08/07/2024 21:22

People without money, in ordinary cars are allowed to drive through Wimbledon Village you know - it's public roads

I'm saying about %. SUVs/Teslas are a norm in many affluent areas in London, so if a driver there exleriences some "blackout", they will highly likely be driving one of those heavy cars.

letsgoooo · 08/07/2024 21:33

@Floppysock

It evidently has, but that's because the people having their suspicions raised aren't very sensible or well informed.

...The parents and 2 headteachers?...

They may not be lacking sense but they are emotionally compromised. Of course they are. The freaking parents would want to know EVERYTHING. I would 100%. Trying to make sense of this senseless accident is going to take a whole lot more than a year to process.
And the school heads held the bodies of two children they were looking after. Their nursery is in the news as the scene of tragedy.

These are not impartial people.

WhistPie · 08/07/2024 21:33

Sirine1708 · 08/07/2024 21:30

I'm saying about %. SUVs/Teslas are a norm in many affluent areas in London, so if a driver there exleriences some "blackout", they will highly likely be driving one of those heavy cars.

I regularly cross the road in Wimbledon Village, and whilst there are a lot of SUVs, there are an even larger number of medium sized cars. There are also quite a lot of coaches and buses!

SocoBateVira · 08/07/2024 21:39

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:54

The parents and 2 headteachers?

People in the parents' position can't be expected to be sensible. Which is just as well, since they also have solicitors and presumably wouldn't want people drawing inferences from that.

Some of the other people coming out with that nonsense have no such excuse, however.

Rosscameasdoody · 08/07/2024 21:53

Floppysock · 08/07/2024 20:14

I think the families aren't happy that it's been "proven" she didn't know she shouldn't have been driving. Whether that's becuase they have genuine cause for suspicion or becuase they haven't seen the evidence, I don't know.

Perhaps the fact she needed the best solicitors in the land to prove what you'd think would be straightforward, has raised suspicions.

Why would she have had any reason to think she shouldn’t have been driving ? It’s been said over and over again that this was a first seizure. She was unfortunate enough to experience it behind the wheel of a car. Many others have shared the same experience. If there had been no previous seizures there was no reason to think she shouldn’t drive. So now we have posters posturing that not only was she lying about the seizure to get out of prosecution, but she may have experienced prior seizures and not reported them. And FYI if I was wealthy and knew I had had a seizure and was helpless to prevent this tragedy, I would be engaging the best solicitors money could buy to help prove my innocence. Just when you think this thread couldn’t get any worse……………

crikeycrumbsblimey · 08/07/2024 21:54

letsgoooo · 08/07/2024 14:27

Not really. There is a nut on here who is convinced that because the woman is well off then obviously she paid off medics.

That couldn't have happened if the person had been poor.

N, the point is ANYONE could have suffered this. So rational people think 'there but for the grace of God go I'.

Weird people think 'oooooo it's a conspiracy'

Why thank you for your kind description.

if we are going for insults anyone who thinks that having the money for a good solicitor makes no difference as to whether you are prosecuted or not is an idiot. Why the fuck would you bother paying for one otherwise!

katebushh · 08/07/2024 21:57

YANBU. I feel for her too but haven't spoken of it. She must be suffering in so many terrible ways. Obviously the poor little girls losing their lives so horrifically is heartbreaking too. The whole thing is one of the most appallingly sad accidents I've ever known of.

Rosscameasdoody · 08/07/2024 22:00

CammyChameleon · 08/07/2024 16:59

Explain to me how saying there is an incentive for someone to do something illegal/immoral is ableist, when in fact we all probably have faced incentives to do something illegal and/or immoral at some point in our lives?

Observing an incentive to do something is not the same as saying that everyone will choose to do it, or even consider doing it.

Because it demonstrates prejudice towards an entire cohort of disabled people. But then I think you know that.

Rosscameasdoody · 08/07/2024 22:04

crikeycrumbsblimey · 08/07/2024 21:54

Why thank you for your kind description.

if we are going for insults anyone who thinks that having the money for a good solicitor makes no difference as to whether you are prosecuted or not is an idiot. Why the fuck would you bother paying for one otherwise!

Possibly because you can. You know you are innocent. You are wealthy and can afford to hire the best lawyers to help you prove it. And while I agree it’s unkind to describe as a ‘nut’ someone who would think that a wealthy person would pay off medics, and so insult the integrity of those medics, at the very least it demonstrates an unhealthy bias towards wealthy people.

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