To actually feel sorry for the woman driving the car in the Wimbledon car accident

[bagpuss90]

I’m sure I’ll be flamed here . I totally sympathise with the bereaved parents- I can’t stress that enough. I can understand them wanting justice . As we know the driver of the car suffered an epileptic seizure at the wheel - she had no history of epilepsy. I don’t see what she could have done differently. She has to live with what she did although it wasn’t her fault. AIBU to feel quite sorry for her ?

So basically you don’t have facts and spread speculations with “go search online” nonsense. And also insult people. Got it.

Looks like you're having a meltdown, going through 700 posts in an hour and trying to confront and verbally abuse anyone daring to have different opinion.

I asked you to stop with the moral outrage because repeating yourself long after everyone gets your point is derailing. Of course you’ve suggested retribution. If this woman genuinely had a seizure causing her to black out and lose control of the car, then she isn’t culpable for the accident as she had no control over the events. What you’re suggesting is that in the event she remains seizure free for the legally prescribed length of time required to regain a driving licence, she should be viewed differently from everyone else in that situation and her morals judged in the event she decides to drive again. What is that if not retribution ?

And I hope if I was ever in the awful situation you describe, I would have the common sense to realise that this was an accident resulting from a medical emergency over which she had no control, and recognise that she is just as entitled to get back behind the wheel as anyone else who is eligible to do so after a seizure, because she is no more likely to have another seizure as they are. The alternative is banning everyone from ever driving again after a seizure - that’s the difference between justice and retribution, and looking back over some of what you’ve posted I genuinely don’t think you know the difference.

One thing I would say is that the vehicle did not just come through the wooden fence. It first demolished a set of railings in front of the fence. The same railings that were outside the entrance to my children’s schools both to keep them from running into the road and presumably protect them. They are pretty sturdy so perhaps they would have at least slowed a Fiat Punto. No doubt the issue of what barriers are needed around schools will be considered by the Coroner but I don’t think the size and power of that vehicle is entirely irrelevant.

@Sirine1708
Shhhh 🤫

@ThePerkyDuck
Oh honey. I'm sorry you didn't see the BBC interview. It was hardly a pay to view.

It's not my job to do your homework. You want to see it, you go do the research. I have nothing to prove. You seem to be misguided in your understanding of your importance. Its no one else's job to find stuff that you missed

Yup, bizarre woman/man. Probably will benefit from some kind of anger management therapy.

Can you stop this?

Several times you have claimed it and been told to report it to @mnhq if you think people are new and PR agents for the driver or car company.

If that’s your argument ‘you are all PR Bots and drive SUVs’ then there can’t be a sensible conversation.

Reaching like this is like having a temper tantrum because people won’t agree with you.

And yet accusing everyone who says something you don't like of being a bot or a paid pr person is ok?

From the Sunday Times yesterday (below). Surely Police should just say they have access to all the medical records and this will go away. Why are they declining to comment. I can't believe they did not have access to all her medical records given they are so sure she has never had a fit before.

After the first meeting, the Met said its specialist crime review group would look at the investigation. The senior investigating officer, who attended the first meeting, has stepped aside, though the Met insists this was “not prompted by concerns about performance, conduct or any suggestion of conflict of interest”.

Those connected to the case are concerned that no terms
of reference for the review, which is expected to take six
weeks, have been set out by the police.

Sources close to the victims also believe police have not
spoken to a number of potential witnesses. Several
members of the public who witnessed the crash and
tended to the driver are understood not to have been
interviewed or provided statements. The Met declined to
comment on this.

Questions have also been posed as to whether the Met
had full access to the driver’s medical records. A source
close to the victims said officers had “not been able to
answer” this. Asked if it did have full access, and why
Lowe was not interviewed, the Met declined to
comment.

@ThePerkyDuck
Hush now Petal. You are getting all worked up

There are far worse angry posts here though. You seem obsessed with SUV. There were 3-4 posts questioning the use of big cars, yet you still keep adding it in every post.

That’s so random. Are you ok?

For anyone who can't be arsed to read the last 700 messages, I think this sums up the thread...

AIBU to feel sorry for the driver who killed two 8-year-old children by running them over on school grounds while they were enjoying a picnic?

No, obviously not. All the extensive evidence conducted by extremely hard working police and medical professionals points to it being a tragic accident. The driver had an epileptic seizure while at the wheel and as it was her first, she could have done absolutely nothing to prevent this terrible tragic event from taking place. It's awful for everyone. I feel sorry for everyone involved.

Yes well said. What a tragic accident that the driver could have in no way predicted or prevented due to it being her first seizure ever and medical professionals conducting extensive and very professional tests over a whole year have definitely established that there is absolutely no other view to be taken on this terrible and tragic situation. I feel even more sorry for those impacted by this terrible and completely unpreventable situation.

Yes I agree. My sister/mum/stepdad was diagnosed with their first seizure when they were in their 40s and they were definitely diagnosed by a scan after the event and it was conclusively proved that they had epilepsy and have never had another seizure since, so they are perfectly safe to drive around the country at will, as should the driver in this case be able to.

Maybe the review of the police investigation that has just been announced was because the parents of the dead children wanted to see some concrete proof of the epilepsy diagnosis of the driver who had just driven over their children and killed them.

Oh my God the witch hunters are out in force today! I hate Mumsnet. Everyone on here is just so stupid and baying for blood. How dare they say such things. They are just ill informed and stupid. I can see the pitch forks now. Of course the driver was in no way to blame for the deaths of 2 children, despite running them over in her car on school grounds. How could any sane person possibly think she had anything to do with it? They parents of the dead children are deranged with grief and looking for vengeance. It's disgusting that someone would bring that up here in a thread on this very topic that I have been prolonging for days now. There is so much evidence from hard working professionals to show that the driver definitely had epilepsy and the parents of the dead children are just refusing to accept it due to their grief. Of course I feel sorry for everyone who was affected on that terrible day. It's just so sad.

Wow this thread is a bit weird, is there a PR agency at work here do you think to control the online narrative about this incident?

Oh my God the witch hunters are out in force today! I hate Mumsnet. Everyone on here is just so stupid and baying for blood. How dare they say such things. They are just ill informed and stupid. I can see the pitch forks now. Of course the driver was in no way to blame for the deaths of 2 children, despite running them over in her car on school grounds. How could any sane person possibly think she had anything to do with it? They parents of the dead children are deranged with grief and looking for vengeance. It's disgusting that someone would bring that up here in a thread on this very topic that I have been prolonging for days now. There is so much evidence from hard working professionals to show that the driver definitely had epilepsy and the parents of the dead children are just refusing to accept it due to their grief. Of course I feel sorry for everyone who was affected on that terrible day. It's just so sad.

And repeat....

I agree. Met should just say they had access to all her medical records and then everyone knows she did not have history of previous fits but for same strange reason Met are declining to comment (Source: The Sunday Times):

Questions have also been posed as to whether the Met had full access to the driver’s medical records. A source close to the victims said officers had “not been able to answer” this. Asked if it did have full access, and why Lowe was not interviewed, the Met declined to comment

It's ridiculous is what it is. People need to grow the fuck up.

Adults discussing a very serious albeit highly emotional issue should be able to do so intelligently and by playing the ball not the man instead of firing off comments that the average ten year old would consider too childish to use.

OMG why you were waiting for so long 😂

“a source” is well known to mean we are speculating. The “source” is going well beyond what the families and teachers have said in recent interviews. Even given the impact of their personal trauma they clearly have rational reason to be unhappy with the pace of the investigation and the liaison they have had from the Met, and that is what they have put on record. Let’s see what comes out at the inquest before we go into more speculation.

”A source” was quoted by that very paper libelling a friend who sadly had died. The allegation had already been dismissed by a judge in the course of another litigation case. You can’t libel the dead, and they know it, so they got away with upsetting the partner and children and leaving a stain on their reputation, all for a sensational story that the journalists concerned walked away from with their reputations intact. It wasn’t even necessary to include false allegations against them as they already had evidence on other people actually involved. It was just a little icing on their cake. They are without ethics so I take their sources as totally worthless. Don’t fall for it.

I don’t think it’s right to dismiss the sources. You may as well say to ignore the whistleblowers.

The first time I have used the term SUV was in that post.

So what about other posts being angry? I am addressing someone who keeps repeatedly posting that anyone who disagrees with them has joined MN in the last few weeks in anticipation of this thread and that they are bots, PR people for the driver, PR for the car company and loads of other crap.

I am not addressing someone else’s angry posts.

@Daftasabroom ”She didn’t kill anyone”

Words fail me.

For the 'she's got expensive lawyers/she's super rich she can buy her way out of this...' brigade...

She could, at a push, get a neurological expert to write a general statement after viewing scans etc, that was in her favour.

Thats it.

Yes, she could hire a super expensive legal team - but until they have to defend her in court, which as the CPS have determined no crime has been committed, won't happen - all this is likely to achieve is a few very expensive 'in my opinion' letters and a heavy retainer fee.

This would give her no significant advantage whatsoever, because any and all evidence supplied directly by her or people in her employ... is biased, and CPS will view it as such and seek their own evidence.

Well then you are going to fall for a lot of sensational speculation in the Press…….

A whistleblower is an entirely different example. If someone within an organisation is specifically providing evidence to a journalist who then writes a credible story that is one thing. An unnamed “source close to the family” taking a story beyond what the family have put on the record is quite another. Evaluating sources is an extremely important skill if you are going to avoid having your emotions exploited by the Press in their search for readers.

The facts will come out but in the meantime subjecting all involved, including the family to this sort of unfounded “noise” is not helpful. If it is true that the driver hired a PR company I am not surprised given the level of vitriol we have seen on here. They weren’t very good though, and I would include a strategy of creating a succession of sock puppets on Mumsnet in that 😂

And this idea that a wealthy woman has bought herself protection from both bad publicity and prosecution is also a red herring. If someone who did not have those means found themselves in this traumatic situation made worse by press sensationalism as a result of an epileptic fit the epilepsy charities would step up to support them. There is clearly an issue for the Epileptic community as a whole given some of the prejudiced and ignorant remarks on here.

@Emilyontmoor press absolutely didn't have to mention/hint on the price of her house in every other article drawing a certain picture.
But I think they do need something to write about while not having more relevant facts.
I wonder if there were any ways for her family to play it differently and be more approachable for the victims' families.