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To actually feel sorry for the woman driving the car in the Wimbledon car accident

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bagpuss90 · 06/07/2024 16:44

I’m sure I’ll be flamed here . I totally sympathise with the bereaved parents- I can’t stress that enough. I can understand them wanting justice . As we know the driver of the car suffered an epileptic seizure at the wheel - she had no history of epilepsy. I don’t see what she could have done differently. She has to live with what she did although it wasn’t her fault. AIBU to feel quite sorry for her ?

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MummyJ36 · 06/07/2024 21:13

whatdoidonowffs · 06/07/2024 21:11

So what should justice be for a non crime ?

From everything I have read there are multiple people involved who do not believe this is a non crime.

I think it is easy to sit from afar and say that we would be ok with this result if we were one of the parents but having witnessed it firsthand myself I do not believe it is that easy.

My suspicion (and it’s only a suspicion so don’t flame me) is that there is more to this hence why they are reviewing some information again.

Mrspopper · 06/07/2024 21:13

PossumintheHouse · 06/07/2024 21:06

You cannot blame a "giant car" for what happened, and it wasn't driven dangerously. It was a horrible, tragic accident.
Even if she does sell "giant cars" as you put it, it has nothing to do with this horrible incident.

these cars are gigantic. Which word should I use? I didn’t say she drove dangerously did I? I said I regularly see people driving these types of cars dangerously. People in smaller cars also drive dangerously but the fact is in this accident the size and strength of the car will have played a part in devastation.
if my dog killed two kids I probably wouldn’t then post a picture of my smiling with dogs of s similar breed…

itsjustGin · 06/07/2024 21:15

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 17:11

I think it's a very convenient diagnosis - human brain is so complex, they can't prove she didn't have a seizure. Never heard of a person diagnosed with epilepsy at 40 though - I believe if you have it, it starts at the childhood.

This driver lives in a detached house in Wimbledon (worth millions in that area) and her car was not the cheapest one so apparently she could afford good lawyer and suitable diagnosis.

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What utter rubbish. Seizures can happen for many reason not just epilepsy.
Epilepsy can emerge at any time.

thenightsky · 06/07/2024 21:15

An elderly woman had a heart attack at the wheel of her small Ford Fiesta whilst driving through our village. She demolished the ground floor of a local guest house. Car actually ended up in the lounge. Size of car means not much.

marigoldandrose · 06/07/2024 21:15

MummyJ36 · 06/07/2024 21:10

One of my parents died due to another drivers error. My family did not prosecute, but this was a decision they came to themselves. The driver was incredibly remorseful, broken and will live with it their whole life.

However…the parents of the children who died did want more justice than this and I think they are entitled to that. The driver has a life sentence but the parents do not feel that justice has been served and have to live out a terrible life sentence too with no respite.

Ultimately, it's not the parents or any other victim's choice whether a prosecution goes ahead, that's not how it works

PossumintheHouse · 06/07/2024 21:16

MummyJ36 · 06/07/2024 21:10

One of my parents died due to another drivers error. My family did not prosecute, but this was a decision they came to themselves. The driver was incredibly remorseful, broken and will live with it their whole life.

However…the parents of the children who died did want more justice than this and I think they are entitled to that. The driver has a life sentence but the parents do not feel that justice has been served and have to live out a terrible life sentence too with no respite.

What justice can be achieved?

OneTC · 06/07/2024 21:18

No one can come up with a vaguely reasonable reason she would not braked

I've seen someone lose control of a vehicle when they'd almost stopped at a roundabout, hit a cyclist and then full scale panic, punched the wrong pedal, which dragged the bike (luckily not the cyclist) under the wheels whilst the driver accelerated into a parked car about 10-15m ahead. She had her foot on the gas for ages and accelerated the whole time

ThePerkyDuck · 06/07/2024 21:18

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 06/07/2024 21:08

Who is dismissing anything?

No one on here is the investigating police officers or ever witnessed the woman’s driving.

Everything I mentioned is pure speculation and nothing to do with other witnesses or the police.

Comparing pure speculation and judgements of how bad she feels because she leaves her house has nothing to do with witnesses or the police.

But weird that you claim speculating is in some way supportive of the parents. I bet it’s helping them a lot 🙄

That’s exactly what you are doing though - speculating.

MummyJ36 · 06/07/2024 21:19

marigoldandrose · 06/07/2024 21:15

Ultimately, it's not the parents or any other victim's choice whether a prosecution goes ahead, that's not how it works

Yes I do understand that but there are multiple people who are close to this case who do not believe that a just and fair investigation has been done. I don’t instinctively feel that the full story has been shared yet and perhaps this is why the parents and those at the school are wanting this case to be re-opened.

Anyway I’m very much not looking for a fight online and this is absolutely a very polarising topic. It will be interesting to see how this progresses (if at all).

Mrspopper · 06/07/2024 21:19

No one is suggesting that smaller cars can’t cause devastation.

whatdoidonowffs · 06/07/2024 21:20

MummyJ36 · 06/07/2024 21:13

From everything I have read there are multiple people involved who do not believe this is a non crime.

I think it is easy to sit from afar and say that we would be ok with this result if we were one of the parents but having witnessed it firsthand myself I do not believe it is that easy.

My suspicion (and it’s only a suspicion so don’t flame me) is that there is more to this hence why they are reviewing some information again.

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If it was my child I would be dreaming from the rooftops for the same I have every sympathy for the parents
my strong suspicion is that in the absence of any case against the driver the police investigation will be nit picked in infinite details until someone finds a t not crossed or an I not dotted and then they will be held at fault

OneTC · 06/07/2024 21:20

ItsAlrightDarling · 06/07/2024 21:10

She hasn’t withheld her diagnosis, it has been provided to the CPS.

I obviously mean to the unconvinced parents.

As far as they know the CPS have seen a report that says "she could have had a seizure, can't be proved otherwise" and then the CPS haven't got a case

Wimbledonmum1985 · 06/07/2024 21:21

The driver is a car sales rep? That’s news to me. Pretty bloody galling.

ItsAlrightDarling · 06/07/2024 21:22

OneTC · 06/07/2024 21:20

I obviously mean to the unconvinced parents.

As far as they know the CPS have seen a report that says "she could have had a seizure, can't be proved otherwise" and then the CPS haven't got a case

The CPS said that she’d had a seizure and has a subsequent epilepsy diagnosis, not that she ‘could have had a seizure and it can’t be proved otherwise’.

Iffx · 06/07/2024 21:23

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 17:11

I think it's a very convenient diagnosis - human brain is so complex, they can't prove she didn't have a seizure. Never heard of a person diagnosed with epilepsy at 40 though - I believe if you have it, it starts at the childhood.

This driver lives in a detached house in Wimbledon (worth millions in that area) and her car was not the cheapest one so apparently she could afford good lawyer and suitable diagnosis.

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It doesn't have to start in childhood. My step father had late onset epilepsy. He had a fit and during that he hit his head and died.

Mostlycarbon · 06/07/2024 21:23

TennisLady · 06/07/2024 18:56

@BobbyBiscuits is a “strong enough punishment” not having to live the rest of your life knowing you unwillingly killed 2 children? I think most would struggle with that.

Sadly for some people I don't think it would be. Look at the behaviour of Anne Sacoolas, who killed Harry Dunn. Some people are completely focused on self-preservation at the expense of justice. Some people compartmentalise these things and get on with their lives.

Kayrel · 06/07/2024 21:24

Horrendous for all involved. Most of all the parents of the deceased kids.

There but for the grace of God go I

socialdilemmawhattodo · 06/07/2024 21:24

Ihopeithinkiknow · 06/07/2024 17:42

My son died aged 22 in 2022 after being hit by a car it was a complete accident and it is a really terrible thing to go through and my heart hurts for the person that has to live with this forever and my heart hurts for me because I lost my beautiful son, there are no winners but I do feel for the family in what I know is an awful thing to have to come to terms with

Flowers Sorry for your loss,x

Mostlycarbon · 06/07/2024 21:26

ItsAlrightDarling · 06/07/2024 20:05

What do you mean by ‘swan around’? Should she not have been leaving the house?

My neighbour killed someone else in the village last year while driving. He didn't leave the house for a long time, because he was very ashamed and depressed. So it wouldn't be unheard of behaviour in the circumstances, no.

CuttingMeOpenthenHealingMeFine · 06/07/2024 21:26

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 17:11

I think it's a very convenient diagnosis - human brain is so complex, they can't prove she didn't have a seizure. Never heard of a person diagnosed with epilepsy at 40 though - I believe if you have it, it starts at the childhood.

This driver lives in a detached house in Wimbledon (worth millions in that area) and her car was not the cheapest one so apparently she could afford good lawyer and suitable diagnosis.

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A family member developed epilepsy at 60, she was luckily not driving during her first fit and has now had her driving licence revoked.

My Mum had childhood epilepsy and outgrew it.

ThatMauveSnake · 06/07/2024 21:28

I feel sorry for her too and there are some appallingly stupid people on this thread.

toppcatt · 06/07/2024 21:28

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Rosscameasdoody · 06/07/2024 21:29

Flowerypaintings · 06/07/2024 17:02

It’s nobody’s fault at all just a terrible terrible accident . It did make me think though - we need more checks on people’s health and suitability to drive. The current system relies on drivers reporting changes or new conditions. It should be mandatory to submit a yearly eye test and perhaps every 10 years to have some sort of assessment then after age 75 make that more regular.

edited to add I know it wasn’t a pre existing condition in this case but in other cases it could be

Edited

Even if it’s a pre-existing condition if it’s been under control with medication and the person hasn’t had a fit for a year, they are allowed to drive.

ItsAlrightDarling · 06/07/2024 21:29

Mostlycarbon · 06/07/2024 21:26

My neighbour killed someone else in the village last year while driving. He didn't leave the house for a long time, because he was very ashamed and depressed. So it wouldn't be unheard of behaviour in the circumstances, no.

If someone has children and a job it’s not very easy to lock themselves in their house for a year. She would still have had to take her children to school/activities etc.
I mainly just wondered what the difference is between ‘swanning about’ and just ‘leaving the house and doing stuff’.

Disturbia81 · 06/07/2024 21:30

I feel nothing but pity for her, not even 1% her fault. Just a very, very tragic accident.

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