1 in 4 voters still Tory

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After the last 14 years how have they still got so many voters for this election (which was lost long ago)? And that's despite loads of Tories going Reform as a protest. Labour only just over 1 in 3.

They'll be back again for sure. Really is a Tory country.

Yep, same with us, out of 8 parties on our vote form, only conservative and lib dem lived in our constituency. And the labour candidate was a thoroughly unpleasant women. She still managed to get in though

That'll be the 'I'm alright Jack' brigade. As long as they're not affected they couldn't give a shiny shite about anyone else.

I think this is it. My dad is a life long Tory supporter. He started his own business under Tory leadership and has done well from it. Obviously most businesses owners did well.
He's retired now, no mortgage or childcare costs so I don't think he gets it. Although he did vote Tory even he didn't think they'd get in again.

Last time I checked we weren't a communist country.

Hardly anyone buys newspapers anymore. Everyone gets their information online. Neither the Daily mail or Guardian are pay walled.

The Times supported Labour in the election. I’m not sure who else but it’s a myth that people vote Tory because they’re too bamboozled by the DailY mail to know the “truth” like you do. They just have a different opinion from you (and me). And that’s ok.

The vote leave was cross party and most of the Tory cabinet supported remain. The Labour Party did not effectively support remain - it might have helped if there had been leadership on that.

I didn’t agree with brexit but I don’t think “we shouldn’t have allowed the electorate a say in case they decide something I disagree with ” is a winning argument.

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I voted Conservative again because I don't actually think they did a bad job. Labour spend to much but people like it because it's better for them, then conservative get in and try to pay back the debt meaning cuts to services which people don't like.

I think they handled the last few years well and that such issues were not of their own making. Covid, Brexit and Ukraine. I do not think labour would have handles this better without being in a hell of a lot more debt.

I personally don't believe that people on benefits with no job should have the same disposable income as someone that works full time in a lower paid job. Benefits were for the purpose of scraping by so you could eat and pay bills, not for a luxury lifestyle. That part is ridiculous, I know people sponging off the system in every which way and going to florida, new car, 4 bed council house and it's not right.

People saying about dentistry - labour have only spoken about emergency dentistry, not continously dentistry so I don't see that coming back anytime soon..

But it's what democracy is isn't it, respecting people's right to vote what they want and not berating them for it. These kind of threads where people insult others should not be allowed.

I voted Tory this time (didn’t in 2019). For a single reason. Starmer putting VAT on private education. Had Starmer not included that policy, I would not have voted against him. Regressive, wrong, won’t raise the promised money. Will cause class warfare and legal fights. And yes, my kid has SEN and that’s how we ended up there. Doubt anyone gives a shit.

Class warfare? Only about 6% of children go to private school.

The weird thing for me is that labour barely had any extra votes compared with 2019 and yet managed a landslide. A landslide where at least half of their voters voted because they weren't the tories, not because they believe the manifesto. The election results were the way they were because the right wing split their vote and therefore consistently came 2nd or 3rd leading to a landslide to the left which leads me to think that labour will not stay for long this time. I wish the tories would stop thinking 'we should go more right because reform got our votes' and instead go 'let's go more centre because most people are centre leaning and would probably vote for sensible policies that build growth and aren't built on racism, but also sensibly socialist'. I.e. well funded nhs and social care but not send love eyes to putin and Mao. Still. For all our awful choices, at least we're not having to chose between the handmaid's tale criminal cult leader and someone who's barely cognisant of who and where he is half the time.

Have you been to Wales lately? It’s Labour ran.. the NHS is fucked as is dentistry.

It is in a terrible state .

Labour spend to much but people like it because it's better for them, then conservative get in and try to pay back the debt meaning cuts to services which people don't like.

And yet analysis of government borrowing/debt repaimnent over the last 75 years or so shows that it is conservative governments who borrow more and repay less than labour governments.

As usual when it comes to people's preconceived opinions reality matters not a jot.

Because the economy is pretty good, taxes are low, Tories support women's rights and spaces, they back Ukraine, and Sunak didn't do much wrong, tbh.
Most people know that the NHS needs to be completely dismantled and a new insurance system created.
Plus, based on past experiences, real fear of what a Labour Government might do.

I wouldn't agree that it needs to be dismantled I would argue our expectation need to change. No one wants to be trying to get insurance for cancer care etc but paying £50 for a GP appointment is affordable.

We also need to be realistic about who we seek help from and when

I completely agree - and I work in pharma! Our healthcare system is a victim of its own success. People need to also take more responsibility of their own health, which I suppose comes back to education.

£50 for a GP appt is affordable for who?

Those on a low income will be exempt from the charge and go as much as they like as its still free.

Those working paying tax and already funding the NHS via taxation have to pay twice and may avoid the £50 charge and possibly miss a serious illness.

We were only saying this today.
The Tories lost the election because (among other things) of the way they handled the pandemic.
As pp says while people were having one hour long walks a day, and in hospital weren't allowed one visitor and were dying alone, the Tories were partying.

Thing is, they won't blame the government for that (well they might now its Labour) they'll blame immigration like they've been told to.

Because Labour are totally shit.

You obviously haven't read any of the more detailed posts on this thread. Plenty of people explaining why they voted as they did. And very little, if none, of the I'm alright Jack.

My old home town of Sutton Coldfield has long been a Tory strong hold and has remained under Andrew Mitchell again. Easy to see why, it's full of rich, white older folk.

This is a MASSIVE part of it. The DM doesn’t report on things fully and is massively biased. If you read it and other newspapers there is no comparison. If you only read the DM for example you’d have no idea about the threats of climate change and would be forgiven in believing brown skinned people in boats are to blame for anything negative.

I broke my arm recently and the care I got from the NHS was amazing. Painkillers, monitoring, plaster cast, two weeks later another cast. Regular x-rays, sympathy, TLC, physio. I couldn't have asked for more.

I think overall England tends to be right/centre. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland not so much.

The only time I was seriously considering voting Labour was towards the end of the Thatcher/Major era as I did like John Smith - I think that was the name of the Labour leader at the time, but please correct me if I am wrong - but sadly he died suddenly and a few months later Tony Blair became Leader and I absolutely did not like him.

I didn't vote either Labour or Conservative this time as I didn't want Labour, but was done with the Tories.

I am not in favour of a lot of the labour policies and I don't think they have a magic wand to make everything better. Had they won the last election they would have had COVID, Brexit and Ukraine. Would they - could they - have done much different?

But Starmer will not embarrass us on the world stage, he won't be a "bad" Prime Minister.

Let's see what happens. My prediction is that unless they cock it up, they will do two terms, so in 10 years time the same conversations will be taking place, but along the lines "can't believe anyone will vote labour"