To be a secret Tory voter and feel embarrassed about it?

[SecretToryVoter]

I’ve just gone to do my vote and had to admit to myself that I’m one of those secret Tory voters and would be embarrassed to admit it to friends / family!

A month ago I was adamant that I would be voting Labour but ended up changing my mind for a number of reasons

1. Keir seems to have a number of grand ideas of what he wants to do but no substance behind how he’s going to do it (where is he going to find an additional 6,500 teachers as just 1 example)
2. Womens rights
3. my Labour candidate has been helicoptered in and doesn’t look good on paper whereas the Tory candidate is a local, well respected councillor
4. Tory policy is closer to my values overall

anyone else had to admit to themselves that they are a Tory at heart for this election?

This is the very polite way to put it. A lot of them are openly vile and hostile. I witnessed it at the count many years ago. Everyone applauded the labour candidate that got in at one constituency, then the labourer supporters openly booed and heckled the conservative that later got in at the other constituency. And that’s the supposed professional people and councillors at the count! That is what scarified my view of lefties.

I can assure you that I have met plenty of rude Tories who are not at all shy and reserved in telling me what they think of my leftie politics. I have been called all sorts! To my face and online!

There's rain here but it's joyful.

There are always exceptions to a rule, but in general terms this is not typical whereas it's very, very typical of Labour voters, especially in the last 10 years or so.

In your personal experience. So in other words, not necessarily typical at all.

"Very typical"

So you're claiming that about upwards of 5 million voters. Hmm.

I think Labour voters have been very very angry, and felt helpless. They have seen their living conditions deteriorating and many Tory voters not giving a sh*t tbh. Not that excuses bad behaviour but at least you can understand.

I'm sorry but that sounds crazy. How can you know how people vote? Everytime you meet someone new and start to become friends do you ask about voting intention ? 😂

It doesn't take me long at all to know what sort of person someone is and what their values are politically. You listen to what they say and it's obvious.

If your friend genuinely wanted the best for the country and the people in it, why does she support a party which consistently fails to support disabled and disadvantaged people and which has overseen a huge increase in child poverty, inequality and use of food banks?

Being 'misguided' or naive is no excuse - we can all look around and see and learn what is happening in society as a whole.

As others have said, @TwigletsAndRadishes you have no experience of being harangued for your views by Tories but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. I’m 57 and I find, that when Tories are in power I get massive stick, much of it rude and aggressive for my Labour views. You may choose not to believe that but I can assure you it happens. People do have different experiences to you you know!

I’d be ashamed to vote for anyone with such low morals they support genocide by saying it’s OK to cut off all power and water to Gaza
I suppose we all have our own thresholds though.

I don’t agree I was truly shocked when friends and relatives of mine said they’d voted Brexit.

I was counting last night and we had similar when a Conservative got in. It certainly didn’t feel democratic.

I don’t think it’s necessarily good to not discuss politics (I know that’s not quite what you said) and I agree that we can be friends with people with different views. There are many Tories I respect, and some of my friends are right wing. However anyone supporting THESE Tories isn’t someone I could have an honest relationship with because by supporting this incarnation they show they have no problem with lies, law breaking and scapegoating. I do have a problem with those things, and with people who don’t mind them.

@RubySloth your friends are wannabe Tories. True blue blood Tories would never mix with the likes of you or me or your friends. They come from money and power and their only purpose for working class people is for them to work for them on 0 hours contract or poor pay while they fill up their sacks by paying lower taxes.

Yeah, OK. 😂😂

I'm sure you're a proper Red, duffing your flat cap and shining shoes gov. Keeping pigeons in your loft, coz you are proper working class.

You have weird stereotype disillusions. People are not defined to one party because of their class it's not the 1920s. You are allowed to venture out, sweetheart.

That’s how the most recent Tory government viewed ordinary people though.

We do discuss policies but it's an agree to disagree and not pressuring people. Everyone has their own train of thought and what matters to them and what has or hasn't benefitted them the last 14 years.

Every party has its scandals, Labour/Tories/reform etc. I don't vote on integrity or there would be no one to vote for 😂

That's not what I got. I feel I have been well treated as someone disabled and on a low income. My MP has been helpful and the 2019 Conservatives were quite liberal in my opinion compared to David Cameron/George Osborne/ iain Duncan smith - I detested their attitudes.

Agree @RubySloth
Im Shocked by such narrow minded views too. I can’t believe they still exist.
Although I’ve been reading so many classist insults it’s not surprising!

Another who has bought the ‘all the same’ line from the Tories. That’s just not the case. At all.
Plus I wasn’t just talking about voting. If someone, say, felt Johnson was a laugh and someone they admired I wouldn’t feel I had much in common with them. And vocally supporting Sunak hits the same wall - he supported Johnson’s behaviour. It’s not acceptable behaviour, and someone supporting it would not likely have enough in common with me to be friends. Someone who just though right wing policies were best for the country I’d disagree with but not have problems with them otherwise.

@RubySloth you added reform to your sentence interesting.

Id be ashamed to pretend that cutting off water or power is “genocide” if I were you. Even if that happened in Gaza (it didn’t).

but I’m not you. You have every right to make silly proclamations and spout offensive nonsense. It doesn’t make you a bad person.

Calling someone names doesn’t make your comment more worthy or factual

See attached re the Genocide Convention from wiki.
Cutting off means of life ie water and power which ‘ imposes living conditions intended to destroy the group’…that’s genocide according to the convention.

Starmer said it live on Nick Ferrari interview

Oh I don’t know…I’m quite looking forward to Angela meeting Donald Trump on a state visit next year. She can put him in his place by calling him ‘GOP scum’.