To be a secret Tory voter and feel embarrassed about it?

[SecretToryVoter]

I’ve just gone to do my vote and had to admit to myself that I’m one of those secret Tory voters and would be embarrassed to admit it to friends / family!

A month ago I was adamant that I would be voting Labour but ended up changing my mind for a number of reasons

1. Keir seems to have a number of grand ideas of what he wants to do but no substance behind how he’s going to do it (where is he going to find an additional 6,500 teachers as just 1 example)
2. Womens rights
3. my Labour candidate has been helicoptered in and doesn’t look good on paper whereas the Tory candidate is a local, well respected councillor
4. Tory policy is closer to my values overall

anyone else had to admit to themselves that they are a Tory at heart for this election?

You should be embarrassed and ashamed that you voted for the Tory party especially after party gate. The last 14 years have been a shit show and we need normality back in this country.

Well I’m about to start the count here.
I do hope not many of you have decided to draw penises on your voting slips although I may be tempted to make a montage if there’s lots.
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PS much like @Papyrophile said upthread its all about worthy debate and I’m looking forward to a read tomorrow
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I understand. So what you're saying is that the government should train people in the medical sector: nurses, doctors, surgeons, radiographers etc every skill set needed in the NHS. Even though people may not want to do those jobs, they should be pushed into them due to the shortfall.

We should stop taking in foreign students. The rest is largely unskilled, such as the care sector, hospitality and farming. In order to attract British workers, we need to pay a higher wage.

Was about to say the same thing.

it’s sad that Sunak’s team couldn’t think of anything more positive to campaign on and instead tried to whip up a fever with jargon that doesn’t even apply to British parliamentary conventions.

There's plenty of Brits who want to become doctors, but not enough funded university places for them. I know of at least 10 kids at my school who were straight A*/A students who applied for medicine and were rejected.

Nurses and allied health professionals definitely do need an uplift in working conditions though (including pay) to fill vacancies and reduce turnover. We should also bring back nursing bursaries. But I don't think it'd be difficult to fill positions if we actually invest into better wages, lower hours, and more training.

The problem is it's cheaper for the government to ship in people from abroad whose governments have already trained them up/invested in them, than to do that themselves. Or allow medical places in the UK to be taken up by overseas students who don't need subsidies to receive the required training.

I agree that we should provide funded bursaries but we also need to raise wages to attract British workers. British business is used to a regular influx of cheap labour. I also agree that we need to invest in training as the British have a shortage of skills.

I believe Farage talked about getting rid off discrimination laws in order to bring in legislation to get more employers to take on British workers.

However, we're still stuck with the fact that we have a shrinking population. And this investment and training will take years, what happens in the meantime?

Unfortunately, yes due to years of underinvestment there'll be at least a decade where we'll have to rely on external talent to plug in gaps.

Personally, I'm not adverse to migration (in fact I am one, as is husband, and my mum...). But I do think it's woeful to not enable Brits to actually take up these jobs in the first place and basically making the UK reliant on cheap migrant labour.

I believe that AI and automation will remove large swathes of jobs, which will push people towards ones that are more care-oriented/human-oriented - especially with an ageing population - as these are harder to automate out. But we do need to make the conditions of these jobs more appealing too to ensure that there isn't a high turnover.

@cardibach that's a simplistic view. Large majorities have knock on effects with regards to how effective an opposition can be. Not least things like the composition of select committees.

There's also going to be a heck of a lot of MPs with no prior experience of parliament or government.

As there were in 2019. People only seem to worry when it’s t(e left doing well.

That's a lot of projection of your own behaviour in shaming and humiliating the poster quoted for her spelling error or clumsy typing.

Poor quivering Tory voters, feeling the need to lash out at any mild commentary.

It is not bullying to state that someone who is ashamed and embarassed about their vote to the point they would hide it from family and friends, and posts about it on AIBU, should be embarassed.

Edit, as I misspelled embarassed, twice. Then I misspelled misspelled.

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The righteous left is truly vile so you ANBU by not giving them fuel. There are also perfectly good reasons for your vote so just be happy that you voted in line with your values instead of being bullied by zealots.

Of course we should pay a higher wage.... People do want to do those jobs... what they don't want is the student debt....

You think the only people coming on work visas are for low pay jobs and the nhs? It isn't.....

Companies for skilled jobs are advertising that experience is essential, they don't want to train people! That's the issue. They need to be incentivised.

Yes we do need higher wages and being a carer shouldn't be classed as an unskilled job either... alot of these carers are carrying out medical procedures but again that is something the government can address instead of handing out visas willy nilly

Wow. I actually spelt it correctly the first time! People make spelling mistakes. That's called being human. Meanwhile, you are still a low empathy individual. That's really embarrassing.

But who you vote for says a lot about you as a person.

I couldn't be friends with a Tory voter because our morals and values would be so wildly different.

I think everyone should be proud of vote for as that is democracy.
I am centre keft, my dad and one of my good friends are definately right wing brexit types. I must admit I role my eyes a lot ( and they do at me) but it's not worth falling out over.
My closest friends are more aligned with me. However, we should all be thankful we can vote at all and it's healthy to have a mix in parliament.

But who you vote for says a lot about you as a person.

I couldn't be friends with a Tory voter because our morals and values would be so wildly different.

That comment says an awful lot about you as a person, and it's not that you have superior morals or better values than me. One of my best friends who I have known for 30 years is very left wing and I am a Tory. I think my friend is misguided and naive on many levels but she is a good person who wants the best for the country and the people in it, as do I.

I don't refuse to be friends with her, because I don't think our political differences are a matter of morals, or of values. Our morals and our values are pretty much aligned. We just have differing views on how best to create an environment where those values and morals can be manifested.

Clearly that's something you are incapable of understanding.

And actually, it's attitudes like yours that make people like the OP feel she has to be a secret Tory, or a secret Brexit voter. It's that horrible habit people on the progressive left have, of being so hectoring and associating virtue and goodness with the way they vote, against the apparent immorality and lack of compassion of anyone who votes for anything right of centre. It's a deeply sanctimonious and unattractive trait.

Well said @TwigletsAndRadishes .

That says more about you then normal people. I have a very diverse friendship group and it works because we can hold a conversation. Our lives aren't based on politics but hobbies/children/partners/family etc and we don't have blinkered views or aggressively "challenge" each other. We all enjoy the differences in our group.

Basically like saying you only stick to your own people and not diverse, that's what is wrong with the world today.

I agree. I'm slightly left of centre, but have friends who are left and right.

I don't have friends who are at the extreme ends on either side (as far as I know anyway)

Most people are central left/ right and not extreme but for some reason if you vote Tory, you are extreme to people like Mamai100. That's what the problem is, if someone, who voted Reform said what @Mamai100 said they would be called allsorts

I'm sorry but that sounds crazy. How can you know how people vote? Everytime you meet someone new and start to become friends do you ask about voting intention ? 😂
I have no idea how most friends and family vote because it's none of my business.

To be fair I'd be ashamed to admit to anyone I was a self centred berk who thought it was absolutely fine that people have died in poverty, have died due to benefit sanctions, have died of cancer within days of being declared for to work, have been left in unmanageable debt due to cost of living increases, greedy landlord and not to mention the sxxtshow that was Brexit (which was shoved through during the sxxtshow mess of the pandemic)
I'd be ashamed to be aligned with a party that shows blatant contempt for anyone who isn't a millionaire.
I'd be ashamed to lack any compassion or acknowledgement of the absolute devastation inflicted over the last 14 years.
I'd be ashamed to admit I didn't care about the vulnerable in our society.
I'd be ashamed to admit I was thick as pigshit

But you're a Tory voter so I assume shame doesn't actually form part of your "personality"

Labour!!! What a great morning, and no rain!!!