Do any of arch-lockdowners regret it?

[Refractory]

Just that really.

I haven’t really been on MN since 2020 because I found the near complete support for lockdown far too upsetting.

the lockdowners in my life seem to not think about it much. For them, it’s just over.

with hindsight do you wish you’d been more sceptical?

would love a civil conversation about this.

I know you didn't ask me but I received treatment during covid and I know other people who did. I don't think the NHS stopped providing a service to anyone, they were overwhelmed with Covid despite people claiming it was some sort of mild cold. What do you suggest they should have done when there were no beds/staff to care for any more? One of my kids and one of my kids partner were a nurse and a doctor on wards during covid. They ended up exhausted and burnt out. The NHS were virtually on a war footing.

Speak for yourself. I didn't live an austere life during covid. I had all my needs delivered by a nice man from Sainsbury's so I did eat well. I had netflix/prime/etc so entertainment on tap, I had internet access to my kids, I had nice walks with husband. Nothing austere about it.

I'm being honest OP, it was 4 years, who cares? Everything moved on a long time ago. I couldn't care less then or now who was pro or against lockdown, I just got on with what I was ok with. I mean, it sucked in lockdowns but meh, suck it up etc. I watched a lot of Netflix. I had to massively pivot as my entire career is based on physically being with people (PT) so had to go completely online which was a crowded space already but I made the best of it.

Maybe it's best to explore why you are so fixated on it? I'm sorry if something bad happened to a friend or family member. It might have something to do with that.

It was really difficult but I can see infection control would be really hard for the dentist and patient.

@Iwasafool

I’ve already explained on this thread how my Mum had her bowel cancer treated and stoma reversed over the pandemic, and have basically been told by some posters here that I’m making it up.

My Mum’s hospital was at breaking point and I’m eternally grateful to the surgeon that managed to save her life under incredibly difficult circumstances.

Had their been no attempt to manage viral spread, my Mum and many, many, many more others would have died and I think hospitals would have collapsed completely.
I don’t know what certain posters would have suggested we do with the Covid patients who needed intensive care treatment and hospital resources - let them die alone at home, in pain, refuse them help - while the rest of us crack on???

I don’t know what certain posters would have suggested we do with the Covid patients who needed intensive care treatment and hospital resources - let them die alone at home, in pain, refuse them help - while the rest of us crack on???
Well that did happen to a lot of people, but hey it wasn't from Covid so doesn't matter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxrr4y2nvydo

Ian Smith, 64, wrote to organisations to highlight how gents loos lack anywhere to hygienically bin incontinence products.
Following radiotherapy and hormone treatment he now suffers from bowel incontinence and wears adult nappies.
Nationally, a "Boys Need Bins" campaign is calling for a change in the law, to make sanitary bins compulsory.
"Because of my treatment, I suffered damage to my bowels and rectum and that's made me sometimes bowel incontinent," said Mr Smith, who was first diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer in 2022.
Although he had been having PSA (prostate-specific antigen) tests regularly, this precaution was disrupted by the Covid-19 pandemic.
By the time his cancer had been identified it had spread to his rectum and is now incurable

@DoreenonTill8

Hospitals were trying to prioritise who was in most desperate need, they weren’t just treating Covid patients and no one else.

It just so happened that we had a HUGE number of critically ill patients who needed urgent help as there was a pandemic.

What do you do? Someone at home can’t breath - do you get them an ambulance and into hospital or ignore them?

@TippyTiger and others who keep berating me and saying 'we couldn't ignore covid patients! We had to treat them' I have not ONCE stated covid patients shouldn't have been treated. My unhappiness is that people who DIDNT have covid, weren't given the care and treatment they needed.

@DoreenonTill8

Exactly - services were at breaking point. Which is why control of viral spread was so necessary IMO. I’m really so sorry to hear about what happened to you, it was a really horrible time. I don’t want to argue or be unkind, because I think everyone had it so tough and all our views and experiences are important.

@DoreenonTill8 - what have I said that states, or even implies, that I believe this?

The NHS had no choice in whether they admitted covid patients who needed hospital care. Sadly this did mean that they couldn’t do everything else - but they still admitted other emergencies, and delivered babies, and did some, if not all cancer treatment.

But it wasn’t their fault that they couldn’t magic up hundreds of extra beds and nursing, medical and other hospital staff. The staff who would have been doing routine surgeries - hernias, hip replacements etc - were redeployed to care for covid patients, or to backfill so other staff could be redeployed to the covid wards. It’s not like they were sitting around in empty wards, getting on with their knitting.

My son was working 12 hrs a day 7 days a week while they had chronic staff shortages as so many had gone down with covid. When he got it he just said it was OK, he'd done his bit getting the ward through the worst of it. I was very proud of him.

I'm glad your mum came through it.

@Iwasafool

You totally should be, he is an absolute hero. Thanks to people like your son, my Mum gets to play with her grandchildren this summer.

I think - when people grow old and reflect on what they’ve done in life - it won’t be material things that are remembered, it’s family and what you’ve done to help others.

A huge thank you from me X

I was red flagged and treated for a suspected cancerous tumour during shielding. All within four weeks from first speaking to my GP. Pictures and phonecalls instead of f2f then day procedure in hospital to remove and results back three weeks later. My son continued his treatments all through shielding, phonecalls but also f2f when tests needed.
Not all services stopped, I have the scar to prove it.

People were frightened. I don't know how that is so difficult for people to understand. I don't think there is ANYONE who actively enjoyed going one way round a super market, or wearing a mask, or home schooling, or not being able to see their family, or seeing the death rate rise on a daily basis... people were scared.

Don’t care whatsoever. I’d never put up with anything like that again

Covid had a reasonably low death rate.

What if it was 50%?

That was kind of you. I'm sure those who said goodbye to loved ones via and ipad from ICU really appreciate it. And congrats on your superior intelligence, hun.

that has already been answered. scroll back

I never understand when people who want to make this point jump to the sort of death rate that would collapse society. There's definitely an interesting discussion to be had about what circumstances, if any, could give rise to another lockdown. But covid with a 50% death rate would just mean we were all fucked!

You only had to look on here and fb to see all the people who 'enjoyed' lockdown and being officious and controlling! Mostly I found those who didn't wear a mask themselves but were happy to shout at everyone else!

@WhereIsBebèsChambre - the officious, petty and controlling people have always existed - but the covid restrictions really did give them a wide open field to indulge their nastiness.

My attitude was - the only person I can control is me, so I will do my best to observe the rules, but if I see my neighbours doing something different, I will assume that they are doing their best too, and I wouldn’t dream of reporting people - unless I had seen Dominic Cummings or Boris et al flouting the rules - for that shower of arseholes, I’d have made an exception!

Well unless they needed to go test their eyes @SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius ...that's of course OK...😆

Ohh definitely, @DoreenonTill8! 🫣🫣🫣

I certainly wouldn't have reported anyone. How petty.