Should a man that didn't want the baby pay maintenance

[dillydallybub]

So as the title says, should a man that didn't want a baby pay maintenance?
Please give me your thoughts and opinions

No. And ignorance of basic biology is a big factor.

Rape victims can experience orgasm and or arousal, it is a biological reaction not emotional nor anything to do with consent.

This is an excellent example sadly why jurors in rape cases don't always make the right choice.

Surely the rapist gets prosecuted and sent to jail

You're so cute.

Not for men, unless tye law has changed, you can't rape a man.

You can sexually assault a man, and the penalties given to perpetrators tend to be tougher if a man is sexually assaulted, over a woman being raped.

Yes. The only guarantee against pregnancy for the male is to use a condom.

Of course. It’s a life and has to be funded by someone- so basically it’s parents.

Yes. Because child maintenance is there to support a real, living child who had no choice in being conceived or born. Child maintenance is not about what's fair for either parent. Sometimes the circumstances that come with being a parent are incredibly unfair. For men and women. In terms of needs and priorities though, they both come after the child.

I'd hazard a guess that the amount of men who have become fathers as the result of sexual assault/tampering with condoms is vanishingly small in comparison to the amount of women who have conceived with men who took zero responsibility for contraception and left it all to the women. Unfortunately for the small number of men who are in that situation, their victimhood as adults still comes second to an innocent child's needs.

I understand in 2003 English and Welsh law became gender neutral to reflect the legal issue you mentioned.

I am in Ireland so ours is gender neutral.

If a man is in a relationship of a couple of years and the woman says she's on the pill/had the implant and wants sex without the condom, can you not see how hard it is for the man to say no? He's effectively saying that he does not trust his partner (to be taking contraception) and would be seen as abusive if he makes her do it Infront of him. It sounds like a lose lose situation for him.

I think that needs to be more education around how to talk to each other around using more than 1 form of contraception at the same time and you aren't just doing it because you don't trust that the other person is using contraception.

Yes

Rape involves putting a penis in a vagina. So that's not possible. So if course your incorrect idea is not obvious! I assumed you knew what rape was. Apparently not.

You can rape a man. But only a man can rape. So a man can rape a man or a woman. A woman can't rape anyone.

Of course they should. But I also think women should have babies with men who don't babies - it is not fair on the kids.

I'm pretty sure a woman can not rape a man! Unless you are referring to penis owning women???

abortion.

18 years of child payments is not equal to the costs of time off work.
I can't believe anyone would suggest a man who was sexually assaulted should bear any responsibility for the child. Certainly no more than any other taxpayer. In fact less than any other tax payer as he was sexually assaulted.

condoms are not 100% effective and neither is the pill/bc.

@WorthyMauveEagle

Abortion isn't his option and never should be. The decision to have an abortion should be the woman's choice. Her body. Her health. Not a form a male contraception.

@BananaLambo

Surely if he is able to get an erection and is able to have sex then he has given permission.
Dear god. Are you for real?
No. A man too drunk to give consent who could get an erection has not therefore given consent any more than women who are raped who experience orgasm 'enjoyed it'

Oh wow!!! - Yes!

@Resilience

Unfortunately for the small number of men who are in that situation, their victimhood as adults still comes second to an innocent child's needs.
These men are no more responsible for the child than a sperm donor is.

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Yep

So, he put his reliance on her words 🤔
Full knowledge that people can lie.