Lucy Letby ( To understand)

[PassingStranger]

What made her kill these babies. Been in the news again today.

It's hard to understand?
Presume as she is in prison and not a hospital, she is not mentally ill?

Will anyone try to find out, I guess if people don't admit they are guilty it's hard too.

Instead of people saying give me 5 mins in a cell with her, surely it's better to stop this happening or maybe it's not possible?
Why does she want to be one of the most hated women in the universe and not give a shit about the babies families and even her own parents?

So much better to be known for doing something nice and have people like you?
AIBU to wonder why she took this road in life?

It was the board that downgraded the unit from Level 2 to Level 1 at which point the deaths stopped

I thought they stopped (of at the very least returned to "normal" levels) when she was put in an admin job, was on holiday etc.

She won't be.

You're in cloud cuckoo land.

And the critical thinking comment is very ironic indeed.

Yes you are right. They stopped as soon as she was not on the ward. The unit was then downgraded later.

I've used bench mark several times when I should have said milestone, sorry.

I work in a hospital. There are some colleagues who get a buzz from a very sick or dying patient, almost like an adrenaline rush. I don't believe AT ALL that any of my colleagues would purposely harm a patient, but maybe she got that same buzz that they get, but like to the max extreme to make her want to kill them. The playing god/ control element is definitely part of it too. Some people thrive off adrenaline and unfortunately, some twisted people get that adrenaline from harming others!

Apologies to the posters who mentioned the filing of numerous datix reports as something to consider. I’ve only just got round to looking up what they are.

Oh jeezlouise. My family member (the illness faker) has a similar system at her place of work. She has boasted so many times about ‘having to’ fill in these reports about her colleagues. She’s only 23, in her first entry-level position. That’s really not good is it.

When you say they 'get a buzz' what exactly do you mean, and are there any procedures to report strange behaviour like this so it is documented somewhere in the system?

I suppose, some people prefer to have a calm day with 'well patients' and some prefer to be busy from sick patients, like they would find it boring to not have 'drama' for a whole shift. People are twisted. I think its just different characters, the people who work in the emergency department or intensive cares must all have this want for emergencies and drama, otherwise they'd go and work on outpatients or an old people's ward. They enjoy the fast pace, unexpected and dramatic events of a high intensity workload. I assume she was the worst extreme of this.

I'm not sure if you mean people are only hospitalised from prison if they lack capacity? Or in general? As being sectioned doesn't mean you lack capacity.

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I suggested once on here that they should have installed CCTV on the wards at that point and was shouted down

The doctors did suggest CCTV to the hospital management, they were shouted down.

No, it’s illegal in this country.

Cctv is illegal ?

So is murder ! I know which is the lesser of the 2 in terms of illegality ! How ridiculous that they weren’t able to install cctv and save lives

That’s what the prosecution claimed. But if the unit had continued at Level 2 the deaths would have continued without Lucy. They didn’t have the space, the equipment or the staffing levels for Level 2 care.

No not CCTV itself. CCTV in hospitals. The consultants knew that when they requested it.

In a neonatal ward? What's your source?

"One of the country's most senior judges, Lady Justice Thirlwall, is leading the inquiry into the events, with the public hearings scheduled to start in Chester in September 2024. The Appeal Court judge said many neonatal units "will require profound changes in relationships and culture" to ensure babies are kept safe.
On Wednesday, Lady Justice Thirlwall said the query about CCTV - suggested by some of the parents of babies harmed by Letby - had been included in a detailed questionnaire sent to hospitals."

Why would one of the country's most senior judges be asking about CCTV if it's illegal?

https://news.sky.com/story/lucy-letby-inquiry-asks-hospital-neonatal-units-if-cctv-has-been-installed-13013722

Again, what's your source?

Because they’re talking about “profound changes” presumably.

I’m sure there was cctv at the entrance to the nicu my dc were in . Maybe I’m mistake but I’m sure there was . I don’t remember it in the actual unit or not but then I wasn’t looking for it

Why would she be asking why is there no CCTV?

And what's your source that it's illegal?

I can see there are all sorts of problems around putting up CCTV in hospitals, I’m not sure such an extreme outlier of a situation such as this one would be helpful for resolving that. Maybe there could be some consideration given to particular places in hospitals, but I don’t know. For as many people saying they should be in baby ICU I think there might be more who feel that is a gross invasion of privacy that could have a big impact in how they undergo really distressing experiences. Tricky. If I was sent in to make changes I think I would look at staffing levels, competency appraisal, ward layout, processes and vertical communication strategies first.

1998 Data Protection Act and 1998 Human Rights Act. Need to protect patient confidentiality. They can be used on public areas though.

Can you quote where it says that, particularly in relation to neonatal wards? I'm looking at CCTV compliance for NHS in private areas and it says:

"The use of CCTV in private areas is a matter of the highest sensitivity and the following considerations should be noted:

1. the trust to prove the intrusion is appropriate
2. ensure inappropriate accidental or deliberate viewing of images cannot take place
3. any decisions on CCTV in private areas must be made in consultation with clinicians using a robust and documented authorisation process

Nothing about it being illegal.

A mental illness and mental disorder are not different things. They are both used to refer to the same thing as is 'mental health condition.'

Can you quote in the data protection act and human rights act where it says that data protection laws cease to apply on hospital wards? CCTV in private areas - eg wards and bathrooms is that you need the patient’s consent and they have to have capacity to consent - that’s the problem.