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Is my dad helpful or overstepping

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Hedgehogdetective · 01/07/2024 02:08

I would describe my dad as a nice person who always helps people, even when they don’t ask or want it. As I’ve grown up and been overly helpful to others myself, I’ve realised that this can be patronising or irritating. I’m in my 30s, I moved out in my mid 20s, got married and had a baby. When my dad visits my home, he makes comments about things that are out of place or not perfect.

for example, if my grass is a bit long it’s “you need to cut your grass” or “you need to wash your car”. When my cars MOT is due, he will message me non stop up to 6 months in advance asking if I’ve booked it yet. Then he’ll say things like “I’ll wash and hoover your car before it goes into the garage” and I’ll ask why and he’ll say “to give a good impression”. Even though I wash and hoover my car regularly so this kinda insults me? Because it makes me feel like I’ve not done a good enough job or he thinks I’m dirty.

he will also go through my outside bins and if they are full he will say when does your bin next get emptied. I don’t know why he cares and it comes across to me like he still views me as a child and/or he’s worried that my neighbours or visitors will think he hasn’t raised me right or something if things aren’t perfect.

he is also the type to do things to my home and garden without asking me first. Like he will turn up and start doing DIY or will move my stuff about and take things away (!) without speaking to me about it. He doesn’t understand how this is wrong because whenever I try to talk to him about it he gets really defensive and goes off in a huff and stops talking to me.

he will also do things like book stuff without talking to me first. The AC in my car had a leak and I casually mentioned it and he said he had phoned up a garage and booked it in to get fixed and I asked when for and he told me the date and I said I couldn’t do that day… he didn’t ask me first he just went ahead and booked it. When I’m capable of booking it myself?

I also had a woman show up at my home saying she was a gardener and my dad had texted her to come over. She obviously thought my dad must live with me and was asking if he was in because I didn’t really know what she was visiting for, if it was for a quote to do gardening or to actually do my garden that day. Even though nothing needed done and she even said that so it felt like my dad is ashamed of me and again it’s a keeping up appearances thing.

i know some people will say they’d love it if their parents did all this stuff for them but I really don’t. It makes me feel like a child and I feel my boundaries are being trampled especially when my dad does things without talking to me (or my husband!) first.

I could give more examples but the last one is I mentioned I’d like a pond in my garden and my dad offered to help dig it and we agreed a weekend we’d do it. He turned up at my house and didn’t knock or anything so I didn’t know he was here and he started digging the hole and installed a pond in my garden without asking me where I wanted it or how big etc. when I saw him and came outside I felt really awkward and uncomfortable because it’s my garden and it kinda feels like he views my things as belonging to him? I don’t know. As I said I can’t even talk to him about these things because he will storm off and give me the silent treatment.

OP posts:
Apileofballyhoo · 01/07/2024 02:12

He sounds awful. My in-laws were a bit like that.

pinkyredrose · 01/07/2024 02:14

Let him storm off then.

amyweeli · 01/07/2024 02:18

I think many people will disagree with me, but here is my take

Most people, and therefore most peoples parents are annoying. Your dad oversteps boundraies but the damage/harm of these boundraies are the slights you interpret his 'acts of love' as.

He wants to clean your car= he thinks you're dirty
he booked a gardener= he thinks im not capable of booking my own
He started digging me a pond= thinks my garden is his
booked for my AC to be fixed= didnt ask me when was convenient

Life is short and your dad is acting out of love. He treats you like a child in a way becasue he loves you and wants the best for you, not becasue he thinks youre an embarssing idiot. Your conclusion is off.

He probably gets defensive becasue he doesnt understand why you're interperting his love in a way that is so far off from his intention.

I understand your frustrations, I just think life is so so short and his intentions are so loving.

The thing is, if he had dug the pond at the wrong size or in the wrong place, you could have just said oh I wanted the pond 2m across from where you dug. That way you are expressing the actual issue, but I do suspect your issue isnt the location of the pond it is more the offence at not having being resepcted not the actual impact of his actions.

MariaLuna · 01/07/2024 02:29

I sincerely hope you don't have young children/toddlers with a pond in the garden.

Your dad sounds overbearing, sorry.

Aquamarine1029 · 01/07/2024 02:47

amyweeli · 01/07/2024 02:18

I think many people will disagree with me, but here is my take

Most people, and therefore most peoples parents are annoying. Your dad oversteps boundraies but the damage/harm of these boundraies are the slights you interpret his 'acts of love' as.

He wants to clean your car= he thinks you're dirty
he booked a gardener= he thinks im not capable of booking my own
He started digging me a pond= thinks my garden is his
booked for my AC to be fixed= didnt ask me when was convenient

Life is short and your dad is acting out of love. He treats you like a child in a way becasue he loves you and wants the best for you, not becasue he thinks youre an embarssing idiot. Your conclusion is off.

He probably gets defensive becasue he doesnt understand why you're interperting his love in a way that is so far off from his intention.

I understand your frustrations, I just think life is so so short and his intentions are so loving.

The thing is, if he had dug the pond at the wrong size or in the wrong place, you could have just said oh I wanted the pond 2m across from where you dug. That way you are expressing the actual issue, but I do suspect your issue isnt the location of the pond it is more the offence at not having being resepcted not the actual impact of his actions.

Yes, be a good girl and be ever so grateful that a man is running roughshod over you regarding damn near every aspect of your life, because he's only trying to help, you know. Maybe he is overstepping and is shockingly disrespectful, but it's because he looooves you. He makes you feel frustrated, less than, and unheard, but remember, life is short so obviously his little feelings should take precedence over yours, because men know best, after all.

🙄 Give me a fucking break.

As I said I can’t even talk to him about these things because he will storm off and give me the silent treatment.

Let the giant man baby storm off and sulk. You were not put on this earth to have your life absolutely dominated by your father. This isn't love, it's about control and it's fucking bullshit.

I have adult children and my husband and I would never treat them this way. My father, whom I adore and who loves me more than anything, has never treated me like this. Pull up your big girl pants and put an end to this. Helping you does not mean he can run your life.

Bananaapplemelon · 01/07/2024 02:58

He sounds my controlling, overbearing, narcissist FIL. he does all this kind of stuff so he can throw back in our faces how 'helpful' he's been whenever we try to set boundaries. We are now (recently) no contact and the narcissistic rage is another level

Fraaahnces · 01/07/2024 03:10

He is intrusive. Does he have OCD?

Mamai100 · 01/07/2024 03:21

My dad is a bit like this, but more on the helpful side rather than overbearing.

The difference is that he knows I appreciate those things but it sounds like the opposite with your dad so I think you need to talk to him.

xylene · 01/07/2024 03:34

After reading the other posts he probably is doing this to be helpful but if you dont want his help on this way the only way is to tell him and stop it whether he huffs or not.
When you say you have tried to tell yom what actually happened?

As a solution for the future eg if it was the pond, dad i would like you to help me with the pond . Can you come round on x date at x time and i can show you where in my garden i want it and we can do it together?

Its a tricky situation as i have zero help at home and the thought of 'free labour' sounds good, but if that means they let their selves in, paint the room the wrong colour, re arrange things so i bc ant find them...... i think i would rather pay for a trader to do the jobs how and when i want.

Summary .... say nothing and carrying on beign annoyed or soeak to you dad even if it means some initial huffing

Octavia64 · 01/07/2024 03:41

Helping people when they don't ask or want it is NOT being helpful.

It's only helpful if they actually want it.

He's overstepping. You don't want these things. He's over-riding what you do want and ignoring your autonomy.

Jamieie · 01/07/2024 05:40

This is batshit. Its not helpful, it's totally overstepping and controlling.

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 01/07/2024 05:47

I don't think he's being helpful at all but being controlling. I have two adults children in their thirties and have never behaved like that. He's definitely treating you as a child still. Perhaps stop telling him things. I know you shouldn't have to, and it's probably casual conversation, but your dad alights on it like a fly on shit.

AgentJohnson · 01/07/2024 06:23

He’s controlling and doesn’t appear to view you as an independent adult. If you value your independence then you will need boundaries or stop mentioning stuff to him.

This isn’t love, it’s control dressed up love.

Walkinginthesand · 01/07/2024 06:47

This isn't love, love includes respecting boundaries and understanding that adult children are now autonomous. I'm guessing he has a strong sense of order in his own life and he wants that to extend into your life as he perceives you as an extension to himself. I'm sure his help could be er very helpful under different conditions, you have to set ground rules like running things through with you that he intends to do first and hat he should be prepared to hear thanks but no thanks. Dont be put off by his huffing, give him time he may come to understand why you're saying these things though the problem with parents is while we hope for understanding when it involves changing their own behaviour it doesn't seem to happen.

Toddlerteaplease · 01/07/2024 06:58

Jamieie · 01/07/2024 05:40

This is batshit. Its not helpful, it's totally overstepping and controlling.

This.

Toddlerteaplease · 01/07/2024 06:59

My dad would never dream of behaving like that.

Sailawaygirl · 01/07/2024 07:00

Are you an only child? ( I'm asking a an only child ) because I found it hard to stop being treated as a child around my parents and it was a cycle both of us fed into. But they have never over stepped this much and its more emotional worries with me.

I think your right that he is still viewing you as a child. I don't think he thinks your are dirty or incapable but ... that's what his actions are making you feel. Can you tell him this? Thar you need time to sort things out.

Otherwise i think you might need a period of low contact. So you don't have to mention what your up to ect and he gets out of the habit of 'helping.

CecilyP · 01/07/2024 07:09

i know some people will say they’d love it if their parents did all this stuff for them but I really don’t. It makes me feel like a child and I feel my boundaries are being trampled especially when my dad does things without talking to me (or my husband!) first.

i can’t imagine anyone would love this. It’s one thing if they ask and have particular skills to offer for something you want done where you’d otherwise need to get a tradesman in, however this is really overstepping. And it sounds pretty constant too. If you can’t stop him can your DH have a word.

VotesAndGoats · 01/07/2024 07:10

Generally dad's like to fix things and it is their way of showing love (or can be). My dad read some book called Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus and went on about this for ages. He'd say things like if you want me to help, I will. If you just want me to listen, tell me, because I'm a bloke and I won't know otherwise.

I think you need to find a way of being honest in a direct kind way, like thanks etc but I didn't want the pond there, and gradually draw your boundaries.

Gazelda · 01/07/2024 07:15

He's hugely overstepping! What does your DH think?

CecilyP · 01/07/2024 07:17

I would also keep quiet about anything you’re thinking needs done. Be vague about things like your. MOT. It won’t stop the routine stuff but will help cut back on anything major.

Mnetcurious · 01/07/2024 07:18

yanbu. He’s overstepping massively and you need to tell him firmly. “Dad I really appreciate that you’re trying to help me but I need you to stop doing things for me. I especially don’t like it when you go ahead and do things without checking with me first, like booking appointments without knowing if I’m available and digging a pond without asking me if it’s ok to start and where exactly I want it to go. I’m not a child anymore and I need more control over my own life and decisions as I’m capable of deciding for myself when my bins need emptying or my lawn needs mowing. Please don’t be offended as I know it’s coming from a place of love but please do take this on board as I need things to change.”

Slugsandsnailsresidehere · 01/07/2024 07:48

You don't mention your DM OP - does he live alone? Maybe it's his clumsy ocd way of trying to be part of your life if he's alone and lonely. Or maybe he doesnt want to lose control of you? Maybe he wants to feel needed?
Whichever it is, I'd definitely have a calm chat with him about how his overstepping your boundaries is making YOU feel. If he takes offence and sulks then let him - he's an adult and so are you.

StasisMom · 01/07/2024 08:01

Sailawaygirl · 01/07/2024 07:00

Are you an only child? ( I'm asking a an only child ) because I found it hard to stop being treated as a child around my parents and it was a cycle both of us fed into. But they have never over stepped this much and its more emotional worries with me.

I think your right that he is still viewing you as a child. I don't think he thinks your are dirty or incapable but ... that's what his actions are making you feel. Can you tell him this? Thar you need time to sort things out.

Otherwise i think you might need a period of low contact. So you don't have to mention what your up to ect and he gets out of the habit of 'helping.

Absolutely the same here, I didn't realise till I was about 46 (!!), that their opinion wasn't the most important. I know, I know... Mine can be like this but not quite to the same degree, and he would also sulk if his help were rejected.

jsterr1 · 01/07/2024 08:17

I find it concerning on this site, that when a man is perceived to be wrong, HES A MONSTEEEEERRR GET THE TORCHES!!! HE SHOULD BE TARRED AND FEARHERED!!!

On the flip side, when it's a woman whose behavior is less than stellar, the man is either supposed to just put up with it, or is again, villainized. Y'all are a bunch of hypocrites that want to make all the rules and follow none.

As for you, OP, your dad sounds like my mom. She is programmed to take care of "her men". Last time I was home, she wouldn't leave me the f@$% alone. I tried to remind her I was in my fifties, a full grown male, not an 8 year old. It simply did not matter. She has no off switch. I'm hoping, next time I'm there, my wife will be in tow and that might derail her crosses fingers.
A lot of your complaints make your dad sound so much like her. It's not that he thinks you're dirty, incapable, inept etc... he's just programmed to take care of "his little girl", even though you are far from a little girl. Might just be a "flaw" of that generation. Reading through the things that bother you, I couldn't help but consider the reasons why he does those things. Sadly, if he's anything like my mom, no amount of explaining will do any good. I would absolutely lose my shit. My dad said I was exaggerating and it wasn't THAT bad. So i went and got my blood pressure monitor. It was something like 185/130. I was probably inches from having a stroke. I'm trying to rearrange my thinking because she really does mean no harm. She's just trying to help and at 83, I'm not sure how much longer she will be around to annoy the ever living shit out of me. She's a great mom. I'm hoping your father is likewise a great parent, just a little misguided how to exert his parenting. I'm really not sure there's much you can do. Last I was staying at my folks place, my mom came down to my area 8x in one hour (I counted) just to tell me some inane thing or ask a similarly inane question.
The solution I've come up with for myself is to act like a quokka. If a predator (mom) approaches, I will fling my offspring (in this case, my wife) in the path of the predator and affect my escape. My mom adores my wife so I think it will work. I've told my sister she can do it too if it works.
Not sure if you have anyone that can similarly distract your dad. I sympathize, empathize and wish you the best of luck with this.

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