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Difficulties with asking Ukrainian refugees to leave after 1+ year of hosting them

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uainuk · 24/06/2024 23:32

Hi all. I’m a mumsnet reader and I know how helpful and non-toxic this community is, so I decided to ask for a sanity check and advice on my situation. I’m Ukrainian myself, so it’s very difficult for me to be unbiased. And I don’t understand local mentality well enough yet. So your kind and weighted opinion will be very much appreciated. I also want to mention that not all Ukrainians are like the woman I describe in this post (or like me, of course). It’s just a one specific situation.

My boyfriend hosted a Ukrainian mum (50+) with a child (12+) more than a year ago, before we met. He had spare rooms and he’s a very nice and kind person, so it wasn’t a problem for him. He thought it will be a 6-month stay, but it already lasted much longer. In a couple of months after he hosted them we met and our relationship started developing. We decided to move in together a couple of months ago. Before I moved in he started having conversations with the woman he’s hosting about them moving on. She was looking for different excuses why she needs more time etc, but they finally agreed on the date. When the date was approaching she asked for more time and he let her stay longer. And now she’s running out of time again. And conversations become tougher.

She’s been here for more that 2 years living with different hosts, she still can’t speak English properly (because she’s not learning it, but chilling most of the time instead). She has 16 hours/week job and doesn’t want to work more hours on a low-paid job, because she believes she’s entitled to something better. She doesn’t want to rent privately, because she wants a council flat and she says she can’t afford private rent even though she gets Universal Credit and she can get housing benefits.

I’m also a Ukrainian and I ended up in the UK because of the war. I have a good job here and I never was on any kind of benefits, so I don’t know how the system works. But I used benefits calculator and I can see that she could afford renting privately. So I assume she just doesn’t want because she (probably) can’t save that much money if she rents privately compared to social housing. I worked my ass off for my entire life and keep doing that so I really can’t understand her.

My boyfriend wants them to move out, but he is not as direct and pushy as I am (he’s very English and I mean it in a very good way). I’m trying to be supportive, but I’m starting to freak out. The date is approaching and the situation becomes even more stressful for me and him. Even though we are trying to be a team, I think he feels more responsibility because he was hosting them before I moved in. And he’s trying to be nice to her which I believe she takes as a weakness. So the woman is trying to manipulate a lot and is saying how hard her life is and that she can’t move out because of ‘new reason every time’. And she’s trying to make him pay for her stuff, do jobs for her etc.

Am I being unreasonable? Am I being a bitch that wants a poor mum and a child to leave? I feel like I want to build my family and instead I’m having a constant stress on top of my work stress (I have a demanding and stressful job, which I love though and which is well-paid). I feel like he’s a bit too soft, kind and caring to a person that doesn’t deserve it. Do you have any advice on how my boyfriend and I could manage this situation more as a team and not ruin our relationship instead? Has anyone been in a similar situation with Ukrainians on homes for Ukraine scheme that don’t want to move out and how did you handle it?

OP posts:
uainuk · 25/06/2024 02:03

@Mmhmmn That’s what I tell him. But it’s not my call, so I'm trying to be understanding and supportive. The thing is that he’s very nice and generous. I can’t understand whether it’s his thing or a cultural phenomenon. And I she got used to it. Without getting into too much detail, she asks my boyfriend for a lot, including paying for her hotels and flights when she’s going back to Ukraine, and much more. I stopped it, but I still feel that it’s a bit unreasonable. Was and is. Or maybe I am.

OP posts:
TheABC · 25/06/2024 02:08

If she's not prepared to work any more hours, then her choices are limited.

  1. Accept whatever the council will give her. Social housing is in short supply and it's a needs-based priority.

  2. To get a specific area, she will probably have to rent privately, with a Universal Credit top-up.

She's using every excuse under the sun because she has a sweet deal, living with you. However, your boyfriend did not make a life commitment and she's a capable adult with enough time and space to make alternative arrangements.
Yes, that might mean less money, but that's life for most of us living in the UK.

user1492757084 · 25/06/2024 02:56

Help her move.
Stay in contact and help her paint a room or two if the place she moves to is not as nice as she would like.
Invite her to Sunday lunch sometimes. Ask her to move, make it absolute but remain helpful.

Fraaahnces · 25/06/2024 03:16

I understand that she has been through some shit but frankly, that doesn’t mean that everyone owes her the lifestyle she wants. She needs to put in some effort to assimilate. That means to learn English, work jobs for less money than she thinks she deserves and live in less glamorous areas. She needs to honestly accept that she is a refugee and what that really means. He needs to pack her stuff and change the locks.

caringcarer · 25/06/2024 04:36

He needs to give her a written date to leave and she can take that to the council. They have a duty to house her and her child. They will probably be put into temporary accommodation. Your boyfriend needs to be firm with her and refuse to listen to her excuses for not having tried to find alternative accommodation.

malachitegreen · 25/06/2024 04:53

QuestionableMouse · 25/06/2024 00:17

Please don't quote the entire long post. It's a pita to get past!

Please do quote the post, so we can see what you are responding to

DexaVooveQhodu · 25/06/2024 04:54

Your boyfriend needs to formally evict them with legal steps taken if they don't leave. This isn't an "unkind" thing to do - the local council will only prioritise them for housing when all other options are eliminated so him being "nice" is actually keeping them in limbo for longer.

First step is that he needs to be firm and say no more extensions. She absolutely must leave on xxx date.
On that date, if she hasn't left voluntarily he has the locks changed the next time she leaves the house for work or shopping. If she refuses to leave at all he can ask the police to attend - she will at that point be a trespasser with no right to be there.
She and her son can go to the council as homeless and they will be put into emergency accommodation. It won't benice but they won't be on the streets.

(this is all assuming they are lodgers and do not have shorthold tenancy rights where the process is longer)

But it's vital that he is firm and formal and takes all legal steps to force them out. This is for their benefit. If they leave while he is being "nice and kind" and not forcing them out the council will categorise them as "voluntarily homeless" and will not help them. He has to play the "bad guy" to help them get the help they need

MariaLuna · 25/06/2024 05:05

she asks my boyfriend for a lot, including paying for her hotels and flights when she’s going back to Ukraine, and much more.

She's a user and a cheeky bitch and your boyfriend is a fool for not drawing a line in the sand for her moving out by a certain date.

HonoraBridge · 25/06/2024 05:10

uainuk · 25/06/2024 00:07

That's a very good question. When I think about it from a selfish perspective, because I want to live with my boyfriend together, not with random people in the house. When I think about it from a rational perspective, because I think people should use Homes for Ukraine scheme to get on their feet and not to have free accommodation forever. We all should take care of ourselves. All people can go through difficult times and we need support through those times. Ukrainians need it because there’s a war in our country and lots of us just can’t live there at the moment. But it should not become an excuse to having an easy life on someone else’s expense. And that’s how this situation looks to me. I might be wrong though, that’s why I’m asking people here.

You have a fantastic attitude, OP. This is spot on - “All people can go through difficult times and we need support through those times. Ukrainians need it because there’s a war in our country and lots of us just can’t live there at the moment. But it should not become an excuse to having an easy life on someone else’s expense”. The woman is taking advantage of your boyfriend’s kindness and must move on now.

LadyFeatheringt0n · 25/06/2024 05:19

Honestly 95% of the people i know who hosted ukrainians had this issue.the uk is an extremely expensive country to live in and most Ukrainians were not prepared for the reality of having to pay rent to live here. They never want to leave and will only do so if pushed hard.

CracklingLogsGalore · 25/06/2024 05:37
Hmm
QuestionableMouse · 25/06/2024 05:44

malachitegreen · 25/06/2024 04:53

Please do quote the post, so we can see what you are responding to

It really isn't necessary, especially on the first page of a thread.

malachitegreen · 25/06/2024 05:48

QuestionableMouse · 25/06/2024 05:44

It really isn't necessary, especially on the first page of a thread.

its fine, I find it helpful, lots of people do, it isn't up to any one to tell other poster s how to post

Singersong · 25/06/2024 06:08

malachitegreen · 25/06/2024 04:53

Please do quote the post, so we can see what you are responding to

This was the second post on the thread. Pretty obvious she's responding to the OP and unnecessary to quote the entire, very long, post.

Arewethebadguys · 25/06/2024 06:15

Mummy2024 · 24/06/2024 23:50

Tell him to throw her out.... not in a bad way, she will have to go to the council who will house her and she will get housed faster that way. Will still take years but she will get it faster than she will staying there. Explain that and say I'm sorry but the date is the date, not changing.

Ffs you don't have to quote the OP! We can all read. Madness

Custardslices · 25/06/2024 06:20

This thread is so self indulgent OP. You work so hard, you pay private rent in full, your taxes pay for few others on benefits....tell me what has this got to do with your partner of a year and his lodger?

Maybe he doesn't want to boot her out. This is not up to you to sort either.

SiberFox · 25/06/2024 06:32

Is your boyfriend asking for your advice and help with this issue? You’ve already made your position clear to him, it seems. There isn’t a clever sneaky way to “address this as a team” because there’s no team there, it’s his house and his decision.

He might be kind and all that but he’s being kind to his lodger, not kind to you - because it must be obvious to him you want her out.

You can either accept his decision or move on, you can’t push him into it.

WolfStar · 25/06/2024 06:34

@Custardslices I should imagine the OP wants to show that not all Ukrainians are like her boyfriend’s lodger, and many have made the effort to assimilate and pay their own way. I can imagine it’s uncomfortable for her to be judging someone from her own country who has obviously been through hell - but is still taking advantage.
And what has it got to do with her? Quite a lot if she can see her boyfriend’s good nature is being taken advantage of. They are now living together and so these are now her unwanted guests too. And I can imagine, given the ongoing war etc etc, it’s complicated - and that she feels a tinge of guilt, even while knowing that this woman is absolutely outstaying her welcome.

RedHelenB · 25/06/2024 06:48

Custardslices · 25/06/2024 06:20

This thread is so self indulgent OP. You work so hard, you pay private rent in full, your taxes pay for few others on benefits....tell me what has this got to do with your partner of a year and his lodger?

Maybe he doesn't want to boot her out. This is not up to you to sort either.

This.

Beautiful3 · 25/06/2024 07:07

She is going to be there forever! Your boyfriend has to stop being such a wet drip!!! He needs to wait until the day after her last night. Take her to the council and present her as homeless. They will fill in the paperwork and place her in temporary accommodation, until they find a council flat. I'd let her bring a suitcase and box up the rest for her to collect later on. So by presenting her as homeless, she will actually get what she wants, a council flat. He needs to explain that to her and take her to the council house.

853ax · 25/06/2024 07:17

Is your boy friend getting rent paid?
I don't live in UK but presume there is funding to pay host Ukrainian. Does that same system not reassign the people when host no longer wants to be involved?
Agree with idea asking around anyone want to rent room to these people...
If they living rent free for 1+year he doesn't have a hope of getting them out why would they leave such a situation

eggplant16 · 25/06/2024 07:26

The whole scheme wasn't properly planned and thought out. I wonder if the Uk was so keen to be involved as Ukrainians are " like us"

Sorry OP , you find yourslef in this situation.

Moobootoyoutoo · 25/06/2024 07:42

Wrong thread

needsomewarmsunshine · 25/06/2024 07:45

Him being kind hearted is one thing but she's taking the piss big time.
I was slated big time on here for not taking refugees with one free bedroom but having read some of the situations on MN...

POTC · 25/06/2024 07:48

malachitegreen · 25/06/2024 04:53

Please do quote the post, so we can see what you are responding to

Not necessary when you're only the second response on the thread like they were, you can literally see what is being responded to right above it!

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