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Waitrose incident.

698 replies

SensitiveSallySue · 23/06/2024 13:56

I am not sure if I am being sensitive or if I should complain.

Every Sunday morning I go out for a coffee and read my book, then do the weekly shop without the children. I like to be back before midday so I can spend the rest of the time with my children, including 9 month old baby. We have every supermarket local to us, Sainsbury’s, Waitrose, M&S, Asda, Tesco, and I always use the ‘scan and shop’ to make the shopping as quick and easy as possible. I’ve never had an issue until today in Waitrose. I’ve only used it a couple of times in Waitrose and never for a big shop.

After scanning my entire shop, strategically packing it so it’s easy to unload at home, I went to pay. When I beeped the scanner, it flagged up as needing to be checked. I thought that was fair enough, it happens sometimes, and I haven’t done a weekly shop in Waitrose before using the ‘scan and shop’ option. The worker came over and said she needed to rescan 30/58 items. I thought that was ridiculous, in every other shop they scan a random selection of a few items, not over half your shop. It seemed pointless to me to have even used the option in the first place, but I didn’t say anything and the worker started to empty shopping bags full to rescan items. This was taking ages, but I just stood patiently waiting for her to finish.

Then, she came across one that I apparently hadn’t scanned. I know I did, but it was a yellow sticker packet so I can only assume that it hadn’t registered properly. She repeatedly asked me if I had scanned it, and I repeatedly told her I had but it clearly hadn’t registered.

She told me she would need to rescan my entire shopping trolley, then took me over to a till, and I stood on the end whilst she unpacked every single one of my bags and scanned every item individually. It was completely unsubtle, in front of all of the other customers, and obvious that they were rescanning the entire shop in case I was attempting to steal things. I felt like an idiot and a thief. To make matters worse, I am a small business owner working with children, and had already bumped into several of my clients in the shop. I was absolutely mortified thinking that they may think I am a thief.

I was thoroughly embarrassed and teary eyed, and hastily shoved everything back into bags whilst the Waitrose worker apologised. Half of my shopping is crushed as I was shoving things back into the bags indiscriminately. I promptly paid and left but it has really upset me. By that point, I’d spent around 20 minutes having everything rescanned.

AIBU to think that if Waitrose are going to have a system that is open to abuse, they need to have a solution that doesn’t involve treating customers like thieves? I have never had an experience like this in any other store and whilst I realise they have to protect themselves from theft, surely this is not the correct way to go about. It’s not the Waitrose workers fault, it just seems like a very poor system and they shouldn’t offer ‘scan and shop’ if this is the way they treat customers.

OP posts:
Otherstories2002 · 30/06/2024 14:04

SensitiveSallySue · 23/06/2024 14:34

Surely a better solution is to ask the customer to queue at the traditional till for a rescan rather than taking you to the side and unpacking everything manually, one by one, not even allowing the customer to touch the shopping? On the off chance they are actually a loyal customer and not a thief!

I would be far more irritated being asked to queue.

dressagediva84 · 30/06/2024 21:41

It's a bit of a pain but happens sometimes. I got to Waitrose a couple of nights a week to get the reduced stuff and I often see people having their haul rescanned. Not once have I ever thought 'ooh a thief!'.

Tessiebear2023 · 30/06/2024 22:02

So what would you think about someone you saw who was having their shopping scanned? If you would immediately assume they were thieves, then that's why you feel so bad now. And in a Waitrose indded? Quelle horreur!

LittleMonks11 · 01/07/2024 08:16

I had another entire rescan yesterday in the orange one because the second item that was picked for a random 12 item scan apparently I hadn't scanned (I had). So off we go to the checkout at the end of the shop for a full rescan of a giant trolley load. Turns out said the lady that I had 'overcharged myself on x items'. Nothing about the low cost item I apparently didn't scan. The shop came in at just shy of £200 with all the offers included. I have decided to return to using the checkouts - they can do it themselves from now on.

countcalculia · 01/07/2024 12:00

Waitfortheguinness · 30/06/2024 10:59

I haven’t used the Waitrose one but I assume all the supermarket systems are all similar. I do mine in tescos and make a point to hear the beep and a quick visual check that the item has appeared on the screen - we all know that when rushing or being distracted that a quick wave of the handset doesn’t always register. It’s just a habit I’ve got into…may take a few moment longer but hopefully means this scenario is avoided.

Yep same here, I don't just scan and move on, I check that it has appeared on screen.

Once it has appeared on screen, the changes of it not transferring to the till are virtually non-existent.

I bought quite a few clothes and household items on the weekend, didn't get selected for a check at all.

Twiglets1 · 01/07/2024 12:04

She was only doing her job. When I scan shopping I’m quite slow at it ( prefer to use proper tills if the queue isn’t long) because I check every item has scanned properly and registered on the system before moving onto the next item.

If you want to be more casual about it I don’t think you can really complain about them having to scan all your shopping after discovering a mistake.

countcalculia · 01/07/2024 12:04

Scruffily · 23/06/2024 20:04

Human error is much more likely than computer error, OP.

Try telling that to the Post office inquiry, @countcalculia

The whole thing with the Post Office was they were claiming that the only one who can make changes to accounts is the Sub-postmaster.

This was a lie.

Fujitsu staff were making "corrections" and "adjustments" to the sub-post master accounts, and the Post Office knew it.

So there was human error. Instead of developing the software, Fujitsu and Post Office buried their hand in the sands and blamed SPMs.

Ergo, it was human error. As I suspect it is in a lot of these scanning issues.

JenniferBooth · 01/07/2024 14:30

LittleMonks11 · 01/07/2024 08:16

I had another entire rescan yesterday in the orange one because the second item that was picked for a random 12 item scan apparently I hadn't scanned (I had). So off we go to the checkout at the end of the shop for a full rescan of a giant trolley load. Turns out said the lady that I had 'overcharged myself on x items'. Nothing about the low cost item I apparently didn't scan. The shop came in at just shy of £200 with all the offers included. I have decided to return to using the checkouts - they can do it themselves from now on.

Too bloody right!

VeryHappyBunny · 01/07/2024 15:18

countcalculia · 01/07/2024 12:04

The whole thing with the Post Office was they were claiming that the only one who can make changes to accounts is the Sub-postmaster.

This was a lie.

Fujitsu staff were making "corrections" and "adjustments" to the sub-post master accounts, and the Post Office knew it.

So there was human error. Instead of developing the software, Fujitsu and Post Office buried their hand in the sands and blamed SPMs.

Ergo, it was human error. As I suspect it is in a lot of these scanning issues.

Edited

The post office scandal was not human error by the PO or Fujitsu, it was blatant lie upon lie, compounded by more lies. They knew about it from the start but were happy to blame SPMs, sending some to prison and leading others to commit suicide.

To add insult to injury the British taxpayers are being expected to pay the compensation and not Fujitsu. The SPMs are taxpayers so in effect they are expected to pay towards their own compensation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is in addition to the government continuing to award contracts to Fujitsu after they knew about Horizon. If it wasn't so serious it would funny. In fact if it was made into a satirical sit-com people would think it was too far fetched.

JenniferBooth · 01/07/2024 15:19

Lies after lie after lie Same as my HA

Tessiebear2023 · 01/07/2024 15:20

countcalculia · 01/07/2024 12:04

The whole thing with the Post Office was they were claiming that the only one who can make changes to accounts is the Sub-postmaster.

This was a lie.

Fujitsu staff were making "corrections" and "adjustments" to the sub-post master accounts, and the Post Office knew it.

So there was human error. Instead of developing the software, Fujitsu and Post Office buried their hand in the sands and blamed SPMs.

Ergo, it was human error. As I suspect it is in a lot of these scanning issues.

Edited

Bust wasn't all the human intervention because there was a huge amount of bugs in the accounting software itself?

At first they didn't investigate differeces as being caused by software bc they thought that SPMs had always been on the fiddle, THEN when they realised it was the software causing differences they started trying to fix it in the background by accessing via the 'backend' and STILL pursued the SPMs rather than admit the system errors. All whilst denying there was anything wrong and any knowledge of access.

MotherOfBengals · 02/07/2024 02:47

I had exactly the same thing in Sainsbury’s once. It flagged me up for a check, the assistant started checking/re scanning and it said there was a problem with a tin of tuna.
I had scanned the right amount (3 in the basket), but for some reason it flagged it up. The assistant didn’t know why, the system didn’t tell her why, but it meant a ful re scan at a checkout.
I was feeling ill and tired that day, it definitely came under the heading of shit I could do without. I was pretty annoyed by it as that’s why I use the self scan so as to avoid the time at the till.
i did feel a bit like a thief, but the assistant was ok about it and helped me repack my bags as she went through it all

daisychain01 · 02/07/2024 07:12

I wonder if they keep a record of people who come up randomly for a rescan and the assistant finds an issue with an item that hasn't scan correctly. As in they let it go once or twice but if someone is a "repeat" offender they take action? Haven't got a clue, but based on so many people being rescanned, if they don't throw the book at people who repeatedly have issues, what's the point.

Lyraloo · 02/07/2024 12:49

daisychain01 · 02/07/2024 07:12

I wonder if they keep a record of people who come up randomly for a rescan and the assistant finds an issue with an item that hasn't scan correctly. As in they let it go once or twice but if someone is a "repeat" offender they take action? Haven't got a clue, but based on so many people being rescanned, if they don't throw the book at people who repeatedly have issues, what's the point.

Edited

I was told by someone that works at Tesco that they give advice the first time, warnings the second and then ban them from using the self scanners. I’m not sure they could prosecute as the person hasn’t left the store and therefore technically hasn’t stolen anything!

countcalculia · 02/07/2024 13:39

Lyraloo · 02/07/2024 12:49

I was told by someone that works at Tesco that they give advice the first time, warnings the second and then ban them from using the self scanners. I’m not sure they could prosecute as the person hasn’t left the store and therefore technically hasn’t stolen anything!

Yep, Tesco banned me from the scanners once when I scanned something and then abandoned it as had to leave the store in an emergency.

You have to grovel to customers services to get access again so I imagine they're pretty strict with people who don't scan properly.

daisychain01 · 02/07/2024 13:42

@Lyraloo thanks for that, makes sense. Being a data person, I'd also be looking at which items were the problem to see if there was a trend. Tin of tuna or a packet of pasta is one thing, but high value items such as cosmetics, a bottle of spirits or expensive meat would give cause for concern.

Lyraloo · 02/07/2024 14:58

daisychain01 · 02/07/2024 13:42

@Lyraloo thanks for that, makes sense. Being a data person, I'd also be looking at which items were the problem to see if there was a trend. Tin of tuna or a packet of pasta is one thing, but high value items such as cosmetics, a bottle of spirits or expensive meat would give cause for concern.

Absolutely, I think that’s what they go on, apparently they have algorithms that constantly track usage. If it’s just a tin of tuna etc it doesn’t flag up as needing a ban, but if it’s always high value items it does.

Tessiebear2023 · 02/07/2024 16:03

Lyraloo · 02/07/2024 14:58

Absolutely, I think that’s what they go on, apparently they have algorithms that constantly track usage. If it’s just a tin of tuna etc it doesn’t flag up as needing a ban, but if it’s always high value items it does.

Tescos staff explained to me that their systems know what your usual spending habits are, and the products you normally buy, so if anything is out of the ordinary by a certain margin it makes it more likely that you'll get a scan check. If they find that you missed something during a spot check, you'll get more frequent spot checks for a while. If you make frequent errors, or as you say high value errors, they may withdraw scan as you go. They don't regard this as a big deal, the lady said to me that some people just don't get on with the scanners, or they get distracted by kids, etc. No one's perfect!

Lyraloo · 02/07/2024 18:37

Tessiebear2023 · 02/07/2024 16:03

Tescos staff explained to me that their systems know what your usual spending habits are, and the products you normally buy, so if anything is out of the ordinary by a certain margin it makes it more likely that you'll get a scan check. If they find that you missed something during a spot check, you'll get more frequent spot checks for a while. If you make frequent errors, or as you say high value errors, they may withdraw scan as you go. They don't regard this as a big deal, the lady said to me that some people just don't get on with the scanners, or they get distracted by kids, etc. No one's perfect!

Edited

It’s weird or maybe my shopping habits are, as I never buy the same things every week. But I’ve never been checked, not once in over 18 months 😱

VeryHappyBunny · 02/07/2024 19:52

Lyraloo · 02/07/2024 18:37

It’s weird or maybe my shopping habits are, as I never buy the same things every week. But I’ve never been checked, not once in over 18 months 😱

That was a stupid thing to say, you'll get checked next time you shop. Never tempt fate like this.

MotherOfBengals · 03/07/2024 00:07

Lyraloo · 02/07/2024 12:49

I was told by someone that works at Tesco that they give advice the first time, warnings the second and then ban them from using the self scanners. I’m not sure they could prosecute as the person hasn’t left the store and therefore technically hasn’t stolen anything!

Is this for a full rescan, or just a check x amount of items? My partner mostly shops with me, the only time either of us have ever been called for a full rescan was the time I was on my own, which started off as a scan X amount, then failed on the Tuna.
We mainly shop in Sainsburys, where we have often been pulled in for a quick check, but now I think about it, the only time it’s ever happened in Tesco was our first time using it there.

Lyraloo · 03/07/2024 02:31

VeryHappyBunny · 02/07/2024 19:52

That was a stupid thing to say, you'll get checked next time you shop. Never tempt fate like this.

😂😂😂I’ve been saying it for the past six months, I’m actually appalled I haven’t been checked! I’m totally honest, but by the way this thread has gone, there are so many who are not. By not getting checked occasionally it’s encouraging these low life’s to steal.

VeryHappyBunny · 03/07/2024 14:44

Lyraloo · 03/07/2024 02:31

😂😂😂I’ve been saying it for the past six months, I’m actually appalled I haven’t been checked! I’m totally honest, but by the way this thread has gone, there are so many who are not. By not getting checked occasionally it’s encouraging these low life’s to steal.

The sort that do steal, justify it as a victimless crime, but the rest of us end up having to pay more for the shop to cover its losses. I don't think there is a massive mark up on food, so stealing a packet of biscuits means that several more will have to be sold just for the retailer to break even.

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