To think women with 3+ kids should pay less taxes

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All parties will have to deal with the increasing number of old people and low fertility rate. They use this fact to justify big numbers of net migration. I was wondering if we as a country should actively provide economical benefits for women to have more than one child? In some countries like Singapore there are a lot of economic incentives to have more than 2 kids. I have 3 kids myself and I don't know anyone in my friendship group who would have more than 2. In fact, most don't want to have even one child citing economical reasons.

AIBU?

Not if the ones pumping out the kids are the ‘economically inactive’ who have families of ‘economically inactive’ young adults sat around gaming, smoking weed and expected a handout every fortnight. They won’t be much use to the economy really.

I was thankful we were able to have one child but we couldn’t afford two or more. Birth it, pay for it.

Errr yes it will.

Amazed but also not that surprised you cant find support for this idea on a FORUM FOR MOTHERS

Because motherhood needs to be a choice, not forced. As mothers we, or at least most of us, understand the importance of women's bodily autonomy.

Especially perhaps those of us with daughters. I really want to be a grandparent one day but I would never tell my daughter that. I'd obviously be very supportive if she wanted to have children but I'd never made her feel pressured, or less loved and valued if she didn't want or couldn't have any.

Do you seriously think women should be reduced in status to 'baby making machines', forced or heavily pressured to have lots of children?

Do you think that would be good for the children of women who didn't want but felt forced to have them? It really isn't. Even if they aren't as open in their resentment as my friend's mum was, kids pick up on that sort of thing.

Women with 3+ children barely pay any taxes because they usually do not work.

for now you are a huge drain on resources, not to mention the long term environmental footprint. and you want to be rewarded for that? really???

I agree that it is a complex issue.
Regarding Russian women, I watched a documentary the other day about women in Russia and their everyday lives.
From what they were saying, I’m not surprised they’re currently not overly keen to have lots of kids.
One of the women interviewed said she felt the state just wanted them to produce future soldiers cannon fodder.
Several others talked about high levels of domestic violence, alcoholism and a generally very patriarchal culture.

God that's simplistic. Fascists charged tax and gave speeches too. We shouldn't do either of these things as well?

Most countries in the world offer some kind of birth incentive now: Singapore, Finland, Luxembourg, Australia, Japan, Korea, France, Italy, Canada, and the list goes on. It's to help out with the inevitable costs of having a child (food, education etc til 18 y/o) and remove financial disincentives to giving birth.

reducing birth rate is a good thing. no-one needs more than 2 kids. I really hope the OP has done this as a joke post.

@Chocolateorange22 Why is the retirement age so low at 67?? It will soon be 68 by the way. Most jobs are fast paced and demanding. Only exceptionally healthy people can carry on working full time after that age. It is why everywhere I have worked, unless they are entitled to be a big redundancy, its always much older people who are made redundant.

I’d also add, technology is moving so fast that so many jobs will be taken by technology. It is happening now at a slow rate (I work in finance, work which used to take 3 people can now be done by 1 and that change has been in the last 15 years). There just won’t be the jobs for full employment. This is something that governments now have to deal with and the fact is we just don’t need as big a population as we did. We have probably reached peak population. How the economy will be driven and people will be making money in 100 years is going to be massive issue for future generations. Now is the time to be looking into that and encouraging small families but giving extra support to those that need it to ensure everyone is as economically active as they can be.

Seriously, I'm asking other mothers of daughters now. Do you really want your daughters to feel pressured to have kids even if they don't want them? Or made to feel worthless if they do want them but can't?

I don't want that for my daughter. I secretly hope she will have kids when she's older, as I selfishly want to be a grandparent, but I'll never let her know. I want her to feel loved and valued regardless of whether she chooses or is able to give me grandchildren.

As for the retirement age. There's already fewer jobs than jobseekers. And life expectancy is no longer increasing anyway.

I think people come on the MN with their anti-natalist crap just to get a rise out of mothers.

I wonder if cycling forums are plagued by bike haters, parading around their space complaining about how bikes are shit, cycle lanes are a pain in the arse and complaining they don't pay ved?

Or is it just mums who are expected to absorb this shit with good grace?

So you think it’s selfish to have three or more kids and that we need fewer people (in the UK, because that’s where we’re talking about now), but you also want decent care for older people? And also work and social opportunities? Provided by who exactly?

Agree 100%

God no. Horrific idea. Will encourage all the wrong people to have loads more kids and push loads of families over the edge.

also, I actually think you should pay tax based on what you use as a family, I don’t like the way single people and childless people are discriminated against essentially funding other people’s kids.

plenty of people on the planet, we don’t actually need more ( if we sorted out our ridiculous immigration situation)

Wow... don't get it our's was more pointless than a set of broken pencils - you were very lucky - no wonder those lucky enough to have actually benefited from it want it back.

How about men get taxed more than women, full stop. This money goes in a pot that pays for the free childcare to make up for all the fellas that fail to cough up for their kids.

In order to prove causation, there needs to be a controlled environment with all confounding variables accounted for. Without that, I'm afraid it is mere correlation, hun.

Use more public services pay less towards it...

...yes that seems logical and very, very fair

God no, we don't need any more humans!

You can argue that people can retire much earlier because of the autoroll in on workplace pensions. In theory if everyone pays into a private pension to a reasonable amount then they wouldn't need to be working until the state retirement age anyway.

However if you work from 16-67 (51 years) and then live until you are 80 which is the 'average' life expectancy you are taking 13 years of state pension which is almost a third of the years you've put in. Why should a working person fund a population that is subsidising the elderly for potentially 25 years after retirement if they live into their 90's? Another poster made the point of retirement age being much closer to life expectancy within history.

As some people get older there is often 'equity' within their lives generally in property or savings. They can generally lower their hours, take less taxing work etc. I can't get by the assumption that 60 year olds can't work. Many do continue working and still have fulfilling lives.

As I say this is a generalisation. Of course there will always be people in their 60's who can't afford to retire on state pension and have to continue working.

Lol no in sociology you use observation.

It’s actually even lower than that in the UK, around 1.49 in 2022.
Agree with the rest of your post though.

@inamarina lots of care for elderly people will be provided through technology. It is already happening to a certain extent. The real issue is people with dementia.

But seriously we do need to start forcing dead beats to pay maintenance it would save the tax payer so much money usually spent on child tax credit for singe mother's if the fathers were actually forced to pay for their kids.
But of course that will never happen because they would moan too much 🙄