to be cross my ds has measles because other parents didn't vaccinate their children

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He's 11 months old, poor little thing . Fortunately he's going to be ok - he got off quite lightly, I think - but it was scary and he was really poorly for a day or so. Spent 10 hours in A&E yesterday while he had chest x-rays, blood tests, IV fluids etc. Now we're just waiting to see if his sister,who's 2, gets it - she's had one dose of MMR already so fingers crossed she's immune.

We live in an area where immunisation rates are among the lowest in the country. Now I have to go and tell all parents of the other babies he's met recently that their children might be at risk as well...

Your figures are easier to read than the graph - just added them up - that is more than 8000. I don't understand, I will never understand, a parent whose child could be vaccinated but chooses for them not to be

OK last post before I go to bed or I'll be here all night!

Redadmiral this is a complicated question, I'll try to briefly explain what I understand happens in some cases. Some (many) children will have a local reaction of varying severity, most of these children will not go on to develop symptoms like my daughter (although they may develop other symptoms of course). It seems to be unusual for a child to suffer severe or longterm damage without also showing some immediate or local reaction, although this can happen.

Vaccines contain adjuvants that are designed to provoke a reaction from the immune system. In a case like my daughter's she reacted badly to this and developed an immune reaction against food proteins that passed through a damaged gut (leaky gut syndrome). The vaccine (whooping cough element most likely candidate) plays a part in gut damage.

This is a very basic outline! Sorry I would need to write about 10 pages to explain it properly.

Thanks for the links.

It does appear that we reduced all deaths drastically before we discovered vaccines. Not that I'd suggest abandoning vaccines, but interesting nonetheless

Thank you, BC. Goodnight.

I haven't immunised, and would MOVE if any government told me I had to

But thats beside the point

I also have two dogs, and I ALWAYS pick up.
However, they LOOVE to crap on the high street. Sometimes, if its not a well formed specimen, it will SMEAR...

I don't think toddlers should play in it though

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they are far too wiley for that. They know when there are the maximum amount of people around, and when they are on the pavement with the blocks that have all the cracks between them (they aim for the cracks I think)

Besides the kids and I would get squashed if we were on the road.

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Smallpox vaccine take up was particularly low. I've read that there were epidemics after vaccine campaigns.

No one should be pressured into having the MMR combined jab if they have looked into it and decided against it for their own reasons.
I decided not to let my DS have it for various reasons and I wont be letting DS2 have it either.
I did pay for him to have the seperate jabs though as I think that to leave my children and therefore other children exposed to serious illnesses is completely irresponsible.
Nasty as jabs may be, ensuring your children are immunised is all part of being a good parent!

2.4 I'm sure you wouldn't want to accuse non-immunisers of being bad parents. Especially when you've made your own choice. Think on, as my Mum would say.

NorthernLurker, there's no reason why you ought to understand, but you must know that there are people who have seen or heard about serious damage from vaccines. There are many, many others who have read up the risk/benefit analysis in some depth. I know you aren't one of them but I think you are being a bit judgemental all the same. It leads to this blame feeling that the thread is all about.

After ds1 had the mmr his body kind of shut down. It was so sad and so worrying.
He got the most shocking diarrhoea which lasted for years afterwards. He stopped speaking, stopped eating and stopped growing.
The hospital couldn't help, their advice was that there was obviously something wrong, they didn't know what.

The nutritionalist suggested I give him chocolate since he wouldn't eat anything hmm].

In desperation I went to a cranial osteopath who said that his little body has basically gone into shock and closed down. She said she saw an awful lot of it post MMR.

After about 6 months ds stared to emerge again, but has never been a 'normal' boy.

I am a bit angry that I blindly went and had him jabbed. I didn't bother to read up statistics etc.
believe that in this life you always take risks and I think in well nourished, healthy children it is better for them to get natural immunisation via the disease proper.

The risk of loss of life and severe injury everytime your and your child cross a road, however............

hatrick, it was, but I was a first time mum and very ignorant.

I had him jabbed because I trusted blindy I thought that it was the best thing to do because i had been told so by the so called experts.

It never occurred to me that this cocktail of drugs put in such a tiny little body could cause great harm.

That's the thing, for any parent that choses to immunise, they are taking the risk that these drugs will do serious harm to their precious little baby .

Since I allow those who wish to take that very real risk without judgment, then they should allow me to take mine too.

I mean how do you know before that needle goes in that it won't be your child who has a horrible and very long term reaction to the mmr???

For me that is a really, really scary risk to take

Sometimes it's not a question of choice, it's that the parents can't be arsed and yes I know a mum of a four month old who was like this.

Kittywise .

I know how you feel I think. You are quite right that you cannot know if your child will react badly or not. The government likes to make out that bad reactions are extremely rare but this is simply not the case. There is simply no excuse for them not introducing a screening process to at least attempt to identify at risk children.

My daughter also stopped growing properly, she hardly put on any weight for about 6 months, there is a nearly flat line between *four months and a year in her health book weight chart. She was diagnosed failure to thrive. She also had diarrhoea, it seemed like food was just passing through her without her actually getting anything from it. She still has to eat a lot of food just to remain a reasonable weight, she is the skinniest and shortest in her class. She is about a year behind her contemporaies in terms of motor skills and balance. Her hair hardly grew (still thin now) and her nails kept cracking. Her lymph nodes were swollen for months and she would break out in head to toe excema when she or I (BF) ate anything she couldn't tolerate. We were terrified, there were times when we honestly didn't know if she was going to make it.

My DD reacted badly to DTP, a vaccine which has a history of provoking bad reactions (has been linked to autism and brain damage just like MMR). It seems that combined vaccines should be used with caution. Not to say that single vaccines are completely safe. We live in France where Hep B is a routine childhood vaccine (WTF?) it is another vaccine that has a history of adverse events.

Bumdiddley no doubt that there are parents who just can't be arsed (never met one myself right enough) but please don't judge all those who do not vaccinate on the basis of one person you know.

My DD2 is completely unvaccinated. Most people do not know the details of what happened to DD1, it is quite possible that they think I can't be arsed or that I have made some hippy dippy uniformed choice to selfishly rely on herd immunity cos its fashionable to be an 'antivaxer'. Couldn't be further from the truth.

I have sacrificed the health of one of my children to the experiment that is mass vaccination, forgive me if I don't let the doctors get their hands on my other child.

I thought that one of the reasons for introducing the combined jab was that people were attending some appointments then missing others, so some children were not getting the jabs as they were intended to be given.

Ok, came across harsher than intended before. Am not accusing all non immunising parents of being bad parents, sorry.
However, and correct me if i'm wrong here, but isnt the concern with the mmr the fact that it is combined? in which case, there is no reason not to have the individual jabs...

I was more under the impression that it was because the patent had run out on the single vaccines and that a 'new' vaccine marketed by Merck et al would allow them to make some money.

I think it is outrageous that you are offered the 5 in 1 if you need a tetanus injection. Did you know that the government banned the importation of single measles vaccine in 1999?