To think droves of teachers will make the decision by husband made today- to leave

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Well after 6 years of teaching my husband has broken down, gone to the doctors, been signed off and says he is done.

he has done 3 years in 2 schools and then done supply for 3 years. There is too much to list but the highlights have been

been told to go and fuck himself and other insults thrown at him by kids with hardly any consequences from parents and schools

having stuff chucked at him

having to appear as a witness in court when a parent beat up his own child at home time in the playground

having parents create a smear group on WhatsApp against him and 2 other newly qualified teachers because the parents said there little darlings behaviour must be down to inexperienced teachers not being able to handle them.

having parents laugh and him and tell him he is picking on their little darlings by trying to sanction them.

have children laughing at him and saying my mum and dad don’t care what I do

hardly any support from above.

There is too much more to write but today he had a 10 year old child walk up to him and pour a water bottle over his head.

he is done. He qualified with a group of 10 others and 8 of them have since quit. 2 did not get through there NQT year.

He says the system is broken

I hope he is okay. There is nothing wrong with admitting enough is enough. The idea that it is a vocation is manufactured so we tolerate all the crap thrown at us. It is a job. No job is worth suffering for. Good luck to him x

No wonder all the teachers have great things to say about my daughter. She would never dream of doing any of this. She tells her friends off for swearing. Good african upbringing.

This is what happens when children are no longer disciplined. Some of these little fuckers need a good slapping and I make no apologies for this.
And their parents need a bloody good slap as well

I know lots of teachers in their 30s who absolutely hate their jobs and desperately want out.
The general public doesn’t understand that the only reason we have any teachers left at all is because people are trapped in their jobs. They have bills and mortgages so they can’t quit. Most are slowly planning their escape. Plus a few bright eyed newbies who will soon get wise, and a few oldies who are hanging on for their pensions. NOBODY wants to teach.

Me too - have 1 month left and am counting the days!
The day I gave in my notice I was told to F off by a Year 7 - I had (reasonable request I thought!) asked him to start work

I am going to teach international students - when it was 'Teacher Appreciation Day' recently they gave speeches to the staff as well as organising snacks for the staff at break.
The difference is amazing!

This thread makes for interesting reading, it seems that other countries teaching is actually respect teachers and it is a well paid, sought after job.

To think that the difference between Leave entitlements for teachers in the UK and Ireland is crazy http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/5097440-to-think-that-the-difference-between-leave-entitlements-for-teachers-in-the-uk-and-ireland-is-crazy

They got a day in isolation. The bottle-throwing kid got 3 days’ suspension (I think they were looking for something to get put on his permanent record as he is one they really want to get rid of).

This is just awful... who could blame him for leaving? What can we do to change society.. it defo feels broken... no respect for authority. This is the reason the prison service is broken too

So sorry OP for your DH and to all of you who've suffered as teachers. My friend is on the verge of a breakdown - Primary 7 teacher, excellent and passionate about what she does, but the work load, constant demands and bullying from the HT are driving her to the edge. She spends her weekends working and not seeing her DC. Gets in on Monday, shouted at over messy jotters. If it's not one thing it's another. I am so worried about her.

DH was planning to go into teacher training at one point, I am so glad he didn't.

Agree the system is broken. I fear for what's ahead.

I'm long retired now, but I can well believe that behaviour has got worse.
As PP's have said, no point in constantly recruiting new teachers if if you can't retain staff; the constant shifting makes for an uneasy atmosphere.
To give an idea of the proportions; once, just once, in my long career did I go to a leaving "do" for a former colleague who was retiring at pensionable age, having spent his entire career in the state sector.
kept in touch with many old friends, but all the others had moved on: to the independent sector (like me), other roles in education , the civil service, one making bespoke fitted kitchens, etc.
As a breed, we are generally a bright, strong-minded bunch with other skills to offer, often specialist knowledge from their degree studies, and it seems that the "blow this for a game of tin soldiers" moment is coming earlier.
It used to be said of the PIT (Pool of Inactive teachers) that, for every ten qualified teachers, only one was currently pursuing a teaching career; I appreciate that some of that cohort have valid reasons for not currently teaching, but I'd be interested to know what that number is now
I wish your husband a speedy recovery, and the chance to use his talents where they are appreciated.

Young teachers are always going to find it harder . We have lost the experienced teachers who mentor the NQTs. Too much stress so they leave before they become experienced.

The "extra stuff" admin is ridiculous.
Some SMT are shit at support. (A temporary job in a school like that decades ago)

Sen support is shit. Attitudes to Sen kids is shocking. (Sorry, but no, he can't become less disabled) (lack of training and experience)

Is behaviour management training still as shit as it was?

Government need to work on retention.

Ofsted is too cliff edge one word judgements. (Rip Ruth)

Absolutely this.
Some parents are nothing more than animals, raising their children to be just as bad.

I've seen from both state and private perspective and tbh have been quite surprised at the amount kids today can get away with (I'm not at all authoritarian). I am not sure when exclusions and sanctions were not the done thing, I don't mean expulsions but consequences. I found the school almost protects bullies and kids who are clearly exhibiting bad behaviours, as if they are scared to actually pull them into line. OP alluded to the "little darlings" but surely this is BECAUSE these parents have never been told their kid is a nightmare, ever? The whole class will know but not the parents, which seems wrong in itself.

DFE needs to put it in some laws to protect teachers from abuse and sanctions and exclusions for poorly behaved students. No one should suffer abuse at work or anywhere.

You can’t decide that NQT/ECTs must have a robust, incredibly lengthy and paperwork-producing induction/mentoring programme and decide that whoever has to do it

1. gets no choice in the matter
2. gets no additional time to do it
3. gets no additional pay to do it

and then expect that mentor to provide this amazing support anyway.

Yes, new teachers need lots of support.

No, this shouldn’t be at the expense of the mentor’s own time and mental wellbeing.

I don’t blame your DH.

I work with kids who are the ones always getting into trouble at school and am appalled at some of the things they do.

But what frustrates me is that the LA do what ever they can to not move some of these kids to special schools - the obsession of keeping kids with extra needs in mainstream is not doing anyone favours. T

My sister has just resigned after 22 years she is a head teacher - has been attacked, threatened, hit round the head (and sent to hospital with concussion), screamed at by parents - she has found a wonderful new job and is off!!

She too has had enough -it is mostly parents who don’t care, or have no boundaries- who expect teachers to parent! who think its okay to swear and shout at staff and kids who just copy these behaviours!! It’s dreadful!! I hope you husband spends the time he needs recovering.

Um sounds like you would be the type of parent who would be having a child causing problems in school.
Did you not read that he was assaulted several times.
And you think that is acceptable.

I agree it sounds more like society is broken than the school system.

@duvetdayy I'd love to see your report templates if they are only taking 10 hours to complete 😮 (I'm
genuinely hoping that you do get them done in 10 hours...you clearly have a great SLT if they have made them so quick to fill in 😍)

I'm an experienced primary teacher of 30 years... and even with my experience each one takes me 45 minutes, so in total I spend over 22 hours writing reports (16 done, 14 to do, so I'm over the halfway mark 💪)

Nosy question but what has she gone into now? It’s so hard to find something that pays well to transfer into

@YellowDayToday there is great diversity across the ND population and true numbers are probably significantly higher than most realise. It's incredibly difficult to access assessments without paying for many. Special schools just won't suit all of these kids. Fir example, my son is very intelligent, a good pupil,great reports, but he is Autistic/ADHD and makes random noises at times. He's sociable, has lots of friends but would never do well lumped in with kids who have learning disabilities or severe behaviour struggles. Yet, on some level he would be disruptive.

Mainstream schools need significantly more investment, pastoral support, help for those with extra needs so teachers can just do their basic job of teaching. The Government knows they are screwing everyone over, schools and many pupils so they decide to focus on attendance targets in typical blame shifting style!

What they need is some big burly army sergeants in the classroom. If they try any tricks theh will bloody well know about it.
And the parents will as well 😉

Oooooh - how very provocative....

We haven't any spare special school places, at all, in my large LA.

Tory government rules under their academy programme is that LA’s cannot open new schools. They can and do plan places and can build schools ( mainstream or special)but then an academy trust has to be found to open the new school.

Process is
LA evidence the need for SEN places and apply to the DfE. (government’s Department for Education)
DfE decide which LA’s can or cannot plan and build a new school.
DfE find a suitable interested academy trust to open and run the school.

In my LA, we have three earmarked sites and plans approved for much needed special schools. Unfortunately, no trust has shown an interest and the DfE do not have the jurisdictions to make a trust do this.

In my LA, they try not to move pupils to special schools because the only available places are out of the LA and independent. The LA is responsible for full transport costs and the school fees. Fees can be in excess of £100,000 per child per year ( eating up funding for all SEND pupils). Rise in transport costs are budget busting alone.

None of this is right. None of the politicising if education, helps any child ( or school/LA leader, class teacher, support staff) It is another Tory broken system which LA’s have to work with as best they can.