To think droves of teachers will make the decision by husband made today- to leave

[Peakyshelby]

Well after 6 years of teaching my husband has broken down, gone to the doctors, been signed off and says he is done.

he has done 3 years in 2 schools and then done supply for 3 years. There is too much to list but the highlights have been

been told to go and fuck himself and other insults thrown at him by kids with hardly any consequences from parents and schools

having stuff chucked at him

having to appear as a witness in court when a parent beat up his own child at home time in the playground

having parents create a smear group on WhatsApp against him and 2 other newly qualified teachers because the parents said there little darlings behaviour must be down to inexperienced teachers not being able to handle them.

having parents laugh and him and tell him he is picking on their little darlings by trying to sanction them.

have children laughing at him and saying my mum and dad don’t care what I do

hardly any support from above.

There is too much more to write but today he had a 10 year old child walk up to him and pour a water bottle over his head.

he is done. He qualified with a group of 10 others and 8 of them have since quit. 2 did not get through there NQT year.

He says the system is broken

Sorry my last comment was in response to this - quoted the wrong post

I’ve lived in three different areas with my kids, spread over three counties. My kids have been in three primary schools. I’ve volunteered in several over these three counties. I’ve only known one school like this. The over-workload yes, the behaviour, no . It’s largely Mumsnet hysteria.

As I said above I retired early, at 55, and moved to supply. It wasn’t the pupils that drove me out though, and it wasn’t for any of my teacher friends who have left or are considering it. It’s bullying management, government interference, the inspection regime and public attitudes to teachers. All fixable.

3 primary schools is too small a sample to be meaningful.

Your poor husband 😢.

Who is raising these children? I feel for teachers, because I wouldn’t last an hour.

Parenting is piss poor, so I’m not surprised the parents are as horrible as their offspring. The behaviour comes from somewhere ☹️.

They deserve every minute of their summer break having to deal with shit attitudes like yours and the horrors detailed in the OP 🙄.

It doesn’t need to be a breeze, but it shouldn’t be like this either.

Watch a couple of episodes of 'Inside the Police Force' from Middlesborough, and have a look at the way the police are completely disrespected on some of the estates they have to work on.
It is the same people who are parenting the pupils in schools.
It is extreme, in terms of lack of respect for other people, but it isn't extreme in terms of numbers of families who live like this.

The huge divide in society has been growing for years. this isn't some isolated incident in one school, this is life for so many communities in poorer areas across the country.

Teaching was actually still a nice job as recently as about 2010. It could be again, but massive changes are needed. It was positively enjoyable (from my pov) in the 90s!

It’s sad hearing my DC/their friends who are all lovely bright young things about to graduate who talk about not wanting to touch teaching with a barge pole! Why would they when they could get a job with flexible working, annual leave they can choose, the chance to go on affordable holidays and where they aren’t micromanaged every day or vilified in the press for being workshy!?

We see it on here all the time, don't we?
Permissive parenting with phones, drink, sex "what can you do?".
The number of threads where teenagers are allowed to have phones with little or no supervision..
Also the frequent criticism of teachers and schools. Easy targets for lazy people. The children pick up on these negative attitudes.

I have never seen anything like the number of teachers quitting in the last few years. I hope your husband is okay.

I've been teaching for 25 years and behaviour in schools is absolutely appalling now, as is violence towards staff. If I was at the start of my career I would definitely be walking away and doing something else. I hope your husband is ok. He'll need time to heal.

What the hell is going on with these parents though? They were the golden generation under a Blair government weren't they, 30 odd years ago?? What went wrong with their upbringing to make them such bad parents?

My DD's currently in their twenties are saying they are adamant they won't give their kids phones or SM, and they have been so traumatised by it. They also see the bad behaviour of current kids. Perhaps the next generation will be better parents

Didimum - I’m curious re the location and status of the schools you refer to - do tell us where they are - And I can categorically state - having been a teacher and a volunteer - that volunteers are largely shielded from the abhorrent and unwarranted behaviours - I really wouldn’t place much credence on your assertion re ‘Mumsnet hysteria’ regarding pupil/parent behaviour. 👍☘️

Good points - wise daughters.
How many times have you seen small children in restaurants etc on devices? Cheap child minding.

I’ve experienced similar can’t be arsed parenting while in a naice NT cafe. A group of kids aged 4-8 were chasing each other round and round our table screaming and shouting at each other while we were trying to have lunch. 3 sets of their parents were sat opposite us watching their dcs indulgently thinking everyone must be ‘enjoying’ their high spirits🤔

A relation is headed this way. Signed off for nine months, back for this half term. It used to be that parents would back the school but no longer. One relation upped sticks and emigrated, teaches abroad now.

The system isn’t broken. Some children are and some parents are.

In really hope your DH feels better soon.

Vaping is also a massive problem, but when schools try to manage it by monitoring toilet use, so many parents on here get outraged.

I have a few friends who’ve recently managed to leave teaching due to the violence and disruption. The remaining one is more hesitant as she’s a single earner but is absolutely sick of the abuse she gets from both parents and kids.

Christ knows what these kids are going to be like as the workforce of tomorrow.

When I started teaching we were deemed to be ‘in loco parentis’ and behave as any reasonable parent should -

To be it sounds like a parenting issue where you are, kids need to be taught respect at home

society is broken, parenting is broken, it is all so sad

This is why we bust our guts to pay school fees and will suck up labour’s 20% (won’t make a blind bit of difference).

I really appreciate every single one of my kids’ teachers and would be happy for the book to be thrown at them for this kind of behaviour. Hope he finds a great school soon x

@Walesnotwhales

It sounds like parenting, rather than the system, is broken!

Nail on the head. The inevitable end result of a few decades of child centric parenting/teaching where the little darlings have become the bosses with no discipline nor consequences for poor behaviour.

If the Sure Start centres were the answer, then we should be seeing an improvement in current children starting school, as they're now of the generation where their parents should have "benefitted" from Sure Start centres 20 years ago. We're not seeing it! If anything, today's nursery and primary school starters are worse than ever.

We need a whole new approach to parenting and teaching. We need some proper consequences for poor pupil (and parent) behaviour. Maybe corporal punishment is a step too far, but we need something else, maybe a return to borstals where the worst offenders can be taken out of mainstream and "dealt with" separately by specialists allowing the majority of pupils who want to learn to be able to go to school without the disruption, bullying, etc.

Many years ago my mum was called to my school as I had a pillow fight and broke a large chest and mirror (boarding).
She had a chat with the principal while I waited outside the office.
When she came out she told me that she never wanted to receive a call like that again. The teachers/management had more to do than supervise my reckless behaviour. She had more to do than waste a day coming to the school because of my poor judgement. It was unacceptable to destroy property even if by mistake and she expected to me to work for the summer and pay for the damage. The principal was standing there the whole time. She turned to him and said I presume you will suspend her if it ever happens again - that would seem appropriate. The staff have a job to do - educate us and we need to let them get on with it.
I over heard one of the other mums say to her daughter, my friend she would wish she was never born if she pulled a stunt like that again! 😁
At the heart of it was - get on with things, be a team player, respect your school, respect the work your teachers are doing and there are consequences.
The parents and the school were a team.
I feel that would not happen today.