To think droves of teachers will make the decision by husband made today- to leave

[Peakyshelby]

Well after 6 years of teaching my husband has broken down, gone to the doctors, been signed off and says he is done.

he has done 3 years in 2 schools and then done supply for 3 years. There is too much to list but the highlights have been

been told to go and fuck himself and other insults thrown at him by kids with hardly any consequences from parents and schools

having stuff chucked at him

having to appear as a witness in court when a parent beat up his own child at home time in the playground

having parents create a smear group on WhatsApp against him and 2 other newly qualified teachers because the parents said there little darlings behaviour must be down to inexperienced teachers not being able to handle them.

having parents laugh and him and tell him he is picking on their little darlings by trying to sanction them.

have children laughing at him and saying my mum and dad don’t care what I do

hardly any support from above.

There is too much more to write but today he had a 10 year old child walk up to him and pour a water bottle over his head.

he is done. He qualified with a group of 10 others and 8 of them have since quit. 2 did not get through there NQT year.

He says the system is broken

@GaryLurcher19 it’s usually a higher percentage of boys but lately the girls have taken over

We really need to stop trying to paint the badly behaved girls as victims in this.

Hahaha the irony here is your username!

The trouble is there are so little decent punishments these days/consequences, the little darlings know full well they can basically do whatever they want.

Can he become a tutor, or work in a private school?

All they can do is sanction them, give them detentions they don’t attend. Phone parents who don’t care, who say they can’t control them either or who say the child needs special treatment because they have a certain condition which means they can’t behave (most of them have a diagnoses of something!)

Just as an example. A teacher at my husbands school shouted at a child after a campaign of disruption and being name called, but admittedly raised his voice. A child videod him and plastered it allover social media, with hundreds of parents calling for him to be sacked or resign. It was literally a hate campaign that lasted weeks, started by the child’s parents, countless parents jumping on to say that teacher had ‘bullied’ their children too. That very experienced teacher isn’t in the profession any more.

Actually though, bullying from SLT and management is worse than anything the kids do. Teachers are frequently ‘managed out’ and it’s more of a popularity contest than anything else. The whole teaching culture is toxic.

Come to Canada, 🍁 if you are catholic, lots of jobs in this school district https://cisdv.bc.ca/employment-opportunities/

Stop all benefits for life for the parents and access to benefits for these feral children once they leave school. Remove the council house as well. Providing all this easy cash obviously is leading to them being lazy losers. Get them in work with no excuses. How to achieve this? I don’t know but I don’t agree with the way things are now and how this scum is ruining things for others.

So tired of the class tropes on here.

Some middle class parents are JUST AS SHIT.

They’re often the ones who run straight to ofsted and or local sareguarding leads for absolutely nothing and the teachers just don’t know how to handle their little darlings.

I know some village heads and deputies from very lovely areas and they’re snowed under with entitled selfish children and when they try and deal with it mummy and daddy complain. Their time is taken because of this and they are often regularly abused by these parents OR social media (what’s app groups etc) is used to create and stir up hate campaigns. I know at county level parental complaints and children’s behaviour has become such a concern and time waster they’re worrying they will let a real ball drop.

It’s across society.

I agree but mental health, human rights, Victorian workhouses etc…

It would actually be the best thing to happen to those kids, steering them away from their inevitable unemployment, addictions and multiple kids in and out of the care system

State school teachers don't have a final salary pension. Private school teachers usually are in the same pension scheme as state school teachers, although that is changing. You may have seen all the private school teachers that have gone on strike over changes to pensions recently?

Right, so when are people actually going to have the conversation about how absolutely abysmal parenting is in this country and how teaching everyone that their wants and needs are the most important thing above everyone and everything else leads to disaster. All rights, no responsibilities. This is what you get.

I’m going to out it out there that when things in life are ‘free’ at the point of consumption, they aren’t valued as much.

”Free state ed” is seen as a right not a privilege and can be used and abused as one sees fit by many families.

This isn’t about state v indie schools though. It’s about families who take, take, take and give nothing back except trouble. Feral parenting is a big part of the problem. Make parents accountable for their kids’ behaviour whether they like it or not. If little Johnny misbehaves, parents come and collect and keep them at home until he can behave. Repeat offending and parents play a fine.

I know this is too simplistic but there are too many kids in state schools who have to put up with this shit behaviour from their peers. There is a lack of good teachers because they have left owing to the feral kids from the feral families treating them appallingly.

Start with the parents - everything else is moving the deckchairs on the Titanic.

This thread is absolutely horrible. As someone who has worked in education for 31 years, visited hundreds of schools, worked with kids with SEN including those with "challenging behaviours" and their parents...

Yes incidents happen. Luckily they are rare. No schools are not mob ruled. No you don't have to go private to get good teaching and a calm classroom (I have seen some truly shit teaching in private schools over the years).

Most teachers who leave are leaving because of workload, general stress, ridiculous curriculum overload, teacher bashing press, lack of support from SLT. Relatively few leave because they can't control their classes, and those leave within the first couple of years usually.

90+ percent of kids in 90+ percent of classes know how to behave and do behave, even in "rough" schools and even in "rough" areas.

Behaviour has got worse since covid. CAMHs has collapsed, mental health provision for children is largely inaccessible, SEN provision is woefully inadequate, schools are falling down and kids don't have teachers. There's also a cost of living crisis and child poverty levels are shooting through the roof.

But you've got a thread full of people who all just want to blame bad parents for what's happening in schools.

I worked in a few local schools and then worked with a police officer - we knew the same people - I could clearly name every child who was now in trouble with the law.

These kids waste so much resources, time and energy, it’s like they get a kick out of the attention.

Once the schools have given them extra nurture, parental classes, booster sessions, chats with the head teacher, weekly farm sessions, CAMHS - they leave school and commit crimes.

Violent kids don’t leave schools and get jobs, they are genuinely just moving to depleting more resources. Benefits, police time, court time, you name it - no crime is victimless.

I would love to know the cost of one of these little darlings.

Perhaps you could take over teacher training.
Sift the Woke from the Non Woke.

Who are to blame though? do you believe that throwing more money at those parents more will sort the problem?

This really isn't representative of all state schools.

I don't recognise the picture painted. I'm not doubting the account but it's certainly not the case in our school. We have an extremely low turnover and the teachers have been there for decades really. The kids are great and the parents supportive. I wouldn’t trade for private and I don't know anyone else locally who would.

Not cynical just wrong.

There has been a benefit cap on 2 children for many years now.

I left after 20 years. Taught some amazing kids, had some wonderful classes and my results were good. My department and line manager were fantastic… but I just couldn’t take any more of the shit that goes with it.

been a huge change in the last 5 years. So much toxicity and hatred from parents, from the public, from some of the students. In the last few years it’s felt more like a prison than a school. It’s survival of the fittest. Couldn’t take any more. And it’s not about the money. You could pay me double and I couldn’t have stayed. The working conditions are appalling.

The year I qualified there were 50 in my class. Obviously some of those didn’t continue teaching, and many have left since. This year there was an intake of 5! How many of them will still be teaching 10 years from now?

I don’t blame your husband for wanting out.

On top of it all you seem to be expected to act like none of that is happening, everything is going great and everyone in the class is doing so well
As a teacher you’re expected to understand that these are children, and therefore their actions don’t count and allowances have to be made. Even when the “child” is a 6ft tall 15st male who’s threatening to rape you. He’s not an adult so we have to let it go, we can’t even remove him from your class because he’s entitled to an education.

I've listed several things that are the fault of 14 years of Conservative underfunding.

Why is properly funding public services that deal with children 'throwing money'?

It's not just in schools. I coach at my local sports club and the same parents are ones kicking off about why their child is not picked in a certain position, why aren't I coaching a certain style because they watched some YouTube videos and are now experts, do not pick their kids up on time so at least one coach (volunteer) has to hang around until they arrive (no apology or thankyou), don't fill in availability forms which screws up session planning, late paying subs, always think they are entltiled to discounts, make spurious complaints, run off to the governing body to moan if they don't get their way. I honestly think at times that nobody ever has just told these people to just fuck off and stop being twats.

The tories are clearly to blame and the people who continued to vote for them despite all the evidence that they couldn't have cared less about education.