To think droves of teachers will make the decision by husband made today- to leave

[Peakyshelby]

Well after 6 years of teaching my husband has broken down, gone to the doctors, been signed off and says he is done.

he has done 3 years in 2 schools and then done supply for 3 years. There is too much to list but the highlights have been

been told to go and fuck himself and other insults thrown at him by kids with hardly any consequences from parents and schools

having stuff chucked at him

having to appear as a witness in court when a parent beat up his own child at home time in the playground

having parents create a smear group on WhatsApp against him and 2 other newly qualified teachers because the parents said there little darlings behaviour must be down to inexperienced teachers not being able to handle them.

having parents laugh and him and tell him he is picking on their little darlings by trying to sanction them.

have children laughing at him and saying my mum and dad don’t care what I do

hardly any support from above.

There is too much more to write but today he had a 10 year old child walk up to him and pour a water bottle over his head.

he is done. He qualified with a group of 10 others and 8 of them have since quit. 2 did not get through there NQT year.

He says the system is broken

Even bigger trouble is that these babies will soon leave schools and become adults who bring nothing positive to society, only trouble and burden and those diminishing numbers of high achieving kids who become working (and God forbid high earning) adults will be taxed to their eyeballs to fund these grown up babies.

It's horrifying and I have no idea what' the solution

This is the consequence of a breakdown in values and a breakdown in masculinity in boys and young men.

It should be a lot easier for schools to exclude and expel pupils who cause problems. If they don't want to be productive, then let their parents look after them at home.

There should also be military schools as an option for degenerate and delinquent children.

Parents are broken. There is a serious lack of quality parenting going on.

I've no idea how it's happened but I feel so sorry for teachers having to deal with the offspring of these dysfunctional families.

Sorry OP, hope your husband is ok

my brother just left the teaching profession after 15 years, he has had to physically defend female staff from rampaging teenagers during last year’s school riots. Police got involved. It was all over the news. Just the top of the ice berg, he has a burn out now having been a teacher who has also had to be a bouncer (without obviously being allowed to touch a kid trying to safeguard other kids and staff), a social worker and take so much abuse from parents it is unreal

nobody respects teachers. I think most of these people don’t deserve teachers for their kids

for most parents school is just glorified childcare anyway

the state of the education system in the U.K. is shocking, it seems that some weird kind of thug culture has taken over where teachers are being bullied by parents

@Allicanteat

"Schools need to exclude permanently easier. Its a bit no shit sherlock if they dont get rid of the worst behaved even the ok behaved will get worse"

And where do the excluded go? On the streets causing crime?

I mean, you'd kind of hope that working with criminals would be more challenging than working with children...

Why aren’t parents stopping this behaviour?

I'm actually reaching the point that I think we probably do need military schools back. Some parents are completely incapable of parenting and don't deserve any further chances to fuck their children up for life.

My friends son had a breakdown, he's gone into the administration side of education now. He's not happy but with three young children they need the money.

Seems like another example of a gentle parenting win /s

Also in private schools if one or a few dcs are misbehaving and disrupting classes the parents of the other pupils will know soon enough and demand the school deal with it. Private schools are primarily businesses who need to keep their customers happy

@1dayatatime And where do the excluded go? On the streets causing crime?

Schools are not dumping grounds for degenerate children. They are centres for learning.

If a child doesn't want to learn, they should be excluded and they become their parents' problem.

It is the role of the state and the police to deal with children who cause crimes.

Agreed

Because they can. Plus, children attract benefits. Or is that too cynical?

I have teenage grandchildren, all in state education. They wouldn’t swear at, or attack teachers. Their parents, who all work, are interested in their education and their wellbeing. They have been fairly fortunate in their state schools.

Blimey my kids school isn’t like that. Sounds like he needs a change of area.

Because there's a core who genuinely don't give a shit about their kids

There's another load who are way too busy for their kids, or who treat their kids like their "bezzie mate" and who farm out the raising of their family to teachers etc to do all the discipline and teach them literally everything.

If it goes wrong therefore it's the teachers fault.

I taught secondary for 20 years, and parenting has got so much lazier and "by proxy" than when I started.

Maybe if parents realised there was a real risk of their child being excluded, they might step up and actually parent their child and put boundaries in place to avoid it happening.

25 years ago education was something you had to engage with and kids realised you had to put in to get things out of it. You had to be an active part of the process, nobody could do your learning or do your work for you.

Nowadays it's like education is like getting a haircut. Kids and parents expect to sit there whilst someone else creates the desired result with no effort on their part whatsoever

Because we live in an age where anything remotely non-positive said about a child or the parenting of a child is “mum-shaming”/“parent-shaming”. You see it on MN all the time.

If you pander to parents to the nth degree then oddly enough they don’t think anything is their job or responsibility.

I work with naive middle class people who earn decent money and they spend hours ranting about how the school hasn’t done things which are squarely the responsibility of parents. It isn’t just a minority group of people who are in poverty and don’t know better - it’s endemic.

Qualified teacher of 20 years here, looking for exit strategy ultimately.
What I've discovered is that many people dislike teachers. Parents often have ridiculous expectations of us. They don't think the many, many unpaid hours the average teacher puts in are enough. They don't understand we often have children of our own but feel that theirs should always be our priority.
This trickles down to their kids who show zero respect.

Absolutely - had an email from my DC's private school teacher ones. DC knows better not to earn another email. Ever.

I have a permanent scar on my cheek from a child’s fingernails, at least two bite mark scars and have had the hair ripped out my head. Not once was I asked by a member of SLT if I was ok. In fact last week my not so lovely HT watched as a child the same size as me first punched then kicked me and she said and done nothing. I’m leaving this school shortly.

I’ve had a 9 year old know that in the morning if he doesn’t want to do class work all he has to do is flip a few tables, call me a paedo bitch or punch one of his class mates, I would have to evacuate the class, call for help, he would be removed to sit in the HTs office on an iPad or playing Lego. I was only in this class temporarily until an experienced teacher arrived, she lasted about 8 weeks, went off sick then I was back in. I left that job too.

It’s absolutely dire in no other job would you be expected to take the amount of verbal and often physical abuse yet all the public throw at you is your holidays.

Several members of my family are teachers. They all now teach in the private sector because they couldn’t stand the behaviour in the state system. The one who was determined to stay in the state sector is on long term sick leave with stress.

So maybe actually we need to blam my generation (1970's born) for raising enttiled kids who have turned into entitled parents and sent these little sods into primary schools in the first place!

Most 70s born wouldn't have children in their thirties yet I don't think? That's my generation and most have kids spread between primary and uni ages.

I've seen a few threads on MN in the last week where schools have contacted parents about their child's behaviour in school. The general consensus seemed to be that it was school's problem and what did school expect parents to do about it. The very idea that the parents should address this behaviour was seen as ridiculous. Post after post agreeing.